What is the Panthers "scariest" Offensive Personnel Grouping

[ShutDwn]

20 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

Interesting comment, @ShutDwn   I've been wondering with the potential improvement of our WR corps due to getting KB back and the improvement of other players like Funch & Brown, whether we might run more 3 WR groupings.   A great way to keep our offense unpredictable...

By the way, this reminds me of a question I have.

Does anyone know of a resource or link that shows what offensive formation we lined up in, how often?  I'd been wanting to compare how often we ran 2 TE sets over the past few years, but am not sure where to look.  I've seen defensive stats - i.e. the % of plays we're in nickel vs. base, but I don't recall seeing RECENT offensive formation stats.

I found this article from 3 years ago, but nothing more recent:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/offensive-packages/

Agree on the WRs. Yes, we're still a pounding run game but we are also still a vertical passing game with tons of talent. 

No idea where to find formation percentage. With the 2 TE set I think we can assume Dickson was unlikely to be the only TE on the field so if he was out there just over 50% of the snaps that means we were in 2TE 50% of the time. Tolbert was out there 40%.

The biggest barrier is our OTs aren't great run blockers, Daryl Williams could be the key to opening the offense up

[Soul Rebel]

Instead of Dickson, would we ever see Funch in place of Dickson perhaps?  I love Funchess' flexibility to lineup all over the field, especially with his frame.  

Dickson was a bum for us last year, sans a couple of plays, so why not replace him with a former TE/WR hybrid in that formation, but with more potential.

Dickson: 6'4"  255

Funchess: 6'5" 225

Sandland would be great in a couple of years, but I don't think he sniffs the field in '16.  I really like Marcus Lucas or Simonson currently over Sandland, but could def see Sandland in a year or two taking over. 

[Snake]

KB, Ginn, and Funch is about as deadly combo I have seen in awhile. It's a pick your poison type setup. Add in Olsen and the math is way ahead for the Panthers. 

[ShutDwn]

42 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

THANKS FOR ADDING THE DATA!!!  Much appreciated.  I've not done a lot at looking at situational splits. 

Where do you find that kind of data? I don't think I've seen that on the game splits for the NFL.com player pages?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/11247/jonathan-stewart

 

some of it could be explained by the situation but I think we can see that adding more blockers wasn't necessarily better for Stewart.

[KSpan]

10 minutes ago, ShutDwn said:

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/11247/jonathan-stewart

 

some of it could be explained by the situation but I think we can see that adding more blockers wasn't necessarily better for Stewart.

I'd perhaps word that as 'adding more poor blockers' wasn't better. Somebody like Hartsock will help, somebody like Dickson will not.

[ShutDwn]

10 minutes ago, KSpan said:

I'd perhaps word that as 'adding more poor blockers' wasn't better. Somebody like Hartsock will help, somebody like Dickson will not.

Maybe if that TE is a dual threat but bringing in another safety is a moot point

[Nick_81]

1 hour ago, KB_fan said:

Interesting comment, @ShutDwn   I've been wondering with the potential improvement of our WR corps due to getting KB back and the improvement of other players like Funch & Brown, whether we might run more 3 WR groupings.   A great way to keep our offense unpredictable...

By the way, this reminds me of a question I have.

Does anyone know of a resource or link that shows what offensive formation we lined up in, how often?  I'd been wanting to compare how often we ran 2 TE sets over the past few years, but am not sure where to look.  I've seen defensive stats - i.e. the % of plays we're in nickel vs. base, but I don't recall seeing RECENT offensive formation stats.

I found this article from 3 years ago, but nothing more recent:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/offensive-packages/

At the bottom of that article, it says to find more specific team info, to hit Twitter.  I threw out a request for all of the offensive packages we used, and the percentage of plays ran in each package, so I'll definitely share if I get a reply.  I guess if more people ask, maybe likeliness of a response is increased.

[CoastalCat]

7 hours ago, KB_fan said:

1) What do you consider the Panthers scariest personnel grouping - either in the past or looking ahead to 2016?

I like the 21 with KB and Teddy. Have Ginn open the top up, go underneath to Olsen. All day.

[outlaw4]

2 hours ago, ShutDwn said:

Depends where we are on the field.

I'd rather take a defender out of the box than add a blocker. Go look at Stew's splits when we have 2 TEs. It's not good. The Broncos gave the blueprint to clog everything. It's easier said than done but someone finally treated Dickson and Tolbert like the non-threats they are. Actually I think the Titans did a solid job with this too.

Idk if we have the OTs for it yet but the goal should always be to commit less men to blocking. Max protect worked surprisingly well but we can't rest on what worked last year. We need to spread the field and let the MVP pick his mismatches.

I'm in the same boat. Having KB back will help but I'm certain coordinators everywhere are breaking down our plays and poring over what Denver did to us. We'll need to adapt but even now, I'm not confident we will to the degree we need to.

Personally, I'd like to see Ginn and Hill on the same side. 

[MHS831]

well below a 4 with 2 TE sets makes sense because it is common on short yardage situations.  However, I am not surprised because Dickson can't block.

[The_Rainmaker]

4 hours ago, ShutDwn said:

Depends where we are on the field.

I'd rather take a defender out of the box than add a blocker. Go look at Stew's splits when we have 2 TEs. It's not good. The Broncos gave the blueprint to clog everything. It's easier said than done but someone finally treated Dickson and Tolbert like the non-threats they are. Actually I think the Titans did a solid job with this too.

Idk if we have the OTs for it yet but the goal should always be to commit less men to blocking. Max protect worked surprisingly well but we can't rest on what worked last year. We need to spread the field and let the MVP pick his mismatches. 

Funchess > any #2 TE 

edit - since I know none of you will go look at Stew's splits by formation, here they are.

BY OFFENSIVE FORMATION	ATT	% Carries	YDS	AVG
Shotgun	98	40%	534	5.4
2 Backs Split	13	5%	56	4.3
I-Formation	51	21%	80	1.6
Lone Setback	128	53%	645	5
BY WR FORMATION	ATT	% Carries	YDS	AVG
2 Wide Receivers	102	42%	375	3.7
3 Wide Receivers	53	22%	327	6.2
4+ Wide Receivers	3	1%	16	5.3
BY TE FORMATION	ATT	% Carries	YDS	AVG
0 Tight Ends	7	3%	46	6.6
1 Tight End	113	47%	519	4.6
2 Tight Ends	87	36%	295	3.4
3+ Tight Ends	35	14%	129	3.7

It's ineffective because Dickson and Tolbert are the worst run blockers for their position it's basically having 5 able blockers against 7 defenders. If your replace Renmers, Tolbert,& Dickson with Williams, Sandland, & Rockhead and the scenario changes 

[ShutDwn]

2 hours ago, outlaw4 said:

I'm in the same boat. Having KB back will help but I'm certain coordinators everywhere are breaking down our plays and poring over what Denver did to us. We'll need to adapt but even now, I'm not confident we will to the degree we need to.

Personally, I'd like to see Ginn and Hill on the same side. 

Just like Lee Ward, right?

[Mojo]

KB, FUNCH, OLSEN in slot, GINN in motion, Stewie in the backfield.  I really hope they do that at some point

[pantherclaw]

Panthers are a physical team, that wishes to beat down the opponents so much so, that they can't get up off the mat. 

The 22 grouping is perfect for the Panthers, as it allows their biggest bodies on offense to be out on the field, and they can do anything out of that formation. Run, pass, end around.  There is no other formation that is more difficult to defend.