Has Talib's personality taken over the Denver D?

[Panther53521]

We all know Talib is a cheap shot artist, but I wonder if he has taken over the Defense in a bad way. We all know Talib has a bad taste in his mouth for the Carolina Panthers,

Since the Broncos were reported shopping him, I wonder if Elway sees his defense going down the wrong path with Talib on the team and not doing things the right way like Von Miller.

All the ones making the helmet to helmet plays were Talib's "boys"

[LinvilleGorge]

Sure seems like it.  I honestly had no problem with the way Denver played in the Super Bowl outside of Talib.  Last night was an entire defense full of cheap shotting motherfugers though.

[bestsportnascar]

I think coach Kubiak is reflected well in their defensive intentions. Talib just fits the scheme.

[CPcavedweller]

The real question: How many of you wish we had Smitty and Hardy back on the team for last nights game? We cut the guys who play with a chip on their shoulder and it has impacted the edge the whole team has played with in the past. Josh Norman was the last guy to have that chippiness to him. Until someone gets fired up on defense the way the Broncos are able to, I will reserve judgment as to if it is wrong of the Broncos to play like they have something to prove.

Note: My post is exempting the plays involving dirty hits. On clean plays, they play with an edge and you can't ignore the fact it helps them immensely. 

[Wundrbread33]

Who else saw Talib extend his hand to Stewart, as if to help him up, then pull away his hand and drop Stewart back to the ground?

The C***sucker needs to be dealt with.

[truthjuice]

They have. I don't remember Von or even Ware playing this way. They will continue to play that way until the league starts fining and suspending. I really don't see it changing until Elway is tired of it and starts getting guys out of there. But their style of play takes away from all that they do great. I will say, that o-line and even WRs are gonna have to start playing with a little chip. I saw Ward get up in Cam's face last night and Cam came right back at him. We know Cam will go for his, but they need that same chip. 

[Kakarot]

Starts at the top. Talib has been a dirty dude his whole career, but as far as I'm concerned, Elway & Kubiak want him to play that way; otherwise he'd be out of there. 

[CPcavedweller]

43 minutes ago, truthjuice said:

They have. I don't remember Von or even Ware playing this way. They will continue to play that way until the league starts fining and suspending. I really don't see it changing until Elway is tired of it and starts getting guys out of there. But their style of play takes away from all that they do great. I will say, that o-line and even WRs are gonna have to start playing with a little chip. I saw Ward get up in Cam's face last night and Cam came right back at him. We know Cam will go for his, but they need that same chip. 

Miller and Ware didn't do anything dirty last night. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, bestsportnascar said:

I think coach Kubiak is reflected well in their defensive intentions. Talib just fits the scheme.

Valid, but Talib was signed a year before Kubiak.

The penchant for dirty play actually goes higher than the head coach.

Elway was part of some teams that played dirty too.

[GRWatcher]

No. It's Wade Phillips' attitude & coaching. With Kubiak's blessing.

[Anybodyhome]

Copying my reply to yet another thread along these lines:

And other teams will take note and do the same thing.

Look, the Carolina Panthers, with their NFL shield at midfield rather than a team logo; with their long-standing, but enough is e-fugging-nough gratitude and benevolence to the league; with their goody-two-shoes approach and team culture as established by their owner, is a milquetoast, pushover football team. 

They do not have a nasty streak and the first inkling that a player on the team can be a game-influencing bad-ass, that player will be gone in short order. 

They do not have a coach who will hammer the officials for not doing their job. They have a coach who stand by and stoically witness his QB getting the poo knocked out of him, watch other players get called for BS penalties... and Greg Olsen has to go argue his own case to the refs... thanks for having my back, coach.

So, while the adults on the street will play, "My kid can beat up your kid," the Carolina Panthers can either stand up and learn how to fight or continue to be a punching bag. And being a punching bag following a 15-1 season when everyone is already coming for you doesn't sound like a very good idea. 

[bestsportnascar]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

Talib was signed a year before Kubiak.

The penchant for dirty play actually goes higher than Kubiak.

Elway was part of some teams that played dirty too.

Did the whole team play dirty before Kubiak?  Was it when Elway came on board that they started?  I don't recall our teams playing very dirty under Fox, so I'm sure he wasn't part of it.

[Anybodyhome]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Valid, but Talib was signed a year before Kubiak.

The penchant for dirty play actually goes higher than the head coach.

Elway was part of some teams that played dirty too.

Yep. 

Before the Patriots and the Saints, the entire chop block rule was the result of the Denver Broncos defensive line play during their Super Bowl years. 

[uncfan888]

fug the Broncos