Name players that where worth their draft Slot by DG

[Carl Spackler]

You can be a BGJS (Blind Gettleman Jock Sniffer) and still admit he sucks at drafting

[YourMomsLover]

5th amendment don't mean poo when the ban hammer comes around 

[Ricky Spanish]

Jury's out on Kony. If he turns it on the last 3/4 of the year, then he was worth it.

You guys are forgeting about Klein, who is a DAMN good LBer and great depth who can play all 3 positions on our defense. Absolutely worthy of the 5th round pick we used on him. 

4th round pick on a backup OT in Williams. Seems worth it. 

Let's not forget UDFAs Brown, Norwell, and Marlowe (may he recover in peace on IR). 

Like someone said, I'll take Dave drafts over Marty drafts all day. 

[iamhubby1]

9 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

I would disagree with Bradberry in the OP.  Not because I don't like him but because I believe we could have gotten him in the 3rd or 4th round.  I really think he can turn into one of the best if he keeps at it. 

As far as worth...I believe all of the players in the OP were "worth" their draft selection (except Bradberry, see above). I was looking at the 2016 draft and you will be hard pressed to find anyone to select after the 2nd round.  But it's only been 5 months since the draft and you never know who will shine 3-4 years from now.  Hell, if you look at the 2013 draft, Kelce, Honey Badger, Jordan Reed were selceted in the 3rdround.  Zac Stacy in the 5th. Latavius Murray in the 6th. 

You just never know. 

 

Most GMs figure their 1st rounder will start, hope the 2nd rounder will make a push, and that 3rd rounder will make the team. Anything after that? Nothing is given.

 

Just because a few later round picks work out, does not mean you can count on them. That is what most fans overlook. The vast majority of later round picks just don't pan out. That's why teams will throw in later round picks in with trades. It adds icing to the cake. But you rarely see teams throwing around rounds 1-2-or 3.

 

Gripping about later round picks is a faulty argument. The bust rate is just too dang high to get too excited over those picks.

 

Or at least that is what I think I think about this.

 

 

[CPantherKing]

1 hour ago, AceBoogie said:

That was a myth. We were around 14th in run defense ahead of the Ravens who won the super bowl that year. We weren't great but we weren't double dip on defensive tackles bad either. And yes we had Smitty and that's all we had which was the problem

Absolutely! The Panthers rebuilt in 2011, and were only weeks in to 2012 with a new MLB following the injury to Jon Beason. Once everything fell in place that defense helped to close out a strong 2012 finish to set up 2013.

For the second half of 2012, they were 7th in the league against the run for yardage and TDs.

1 hour ago, Kakarot said:

I wanted Robinson too, and was pissed when we passed him up.

I wanted Landry over Ealy.

 

As for the OP, Star, KK, KB, and Turner. That is all.

Shaq is good, but he was a reach in the first round.

There are a lot of wasted draft picks by Gettleman. Trading up for players like Benwikere and Funchess are some of the worst moves. Then you have the traded picks for Norwood, Allen and Lee.

Trading away the future of the team. I am sure undrafted free agents and scrub 4th tier free agents will make for great depth and possible starters in the years to come.

Maybe the Panthers should have used that 4th round pick on a CB trade instead of a punter. The punter is pointless if you do not have a secondary that can stop the offense from getting 20+ yard receptions and consistent 90 yard drives.

So many bad moves. Cam, Olsen, Stewart, Davis, and Kuechly can only keep this team competitive for so long. Does not help you cut out Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, Captain Munnerlyn, Josh Norman, Peanut Tillman and Greg Hardy from making plays while replacing them with inconsistency in KB, CAP, Bene, Bradberry, Worley, and Ealy to replace their play making ability. While I like KB, he is still inconsistent.

It is no wonder the Panthers are struggling to keep winning with a dwindling core of play makers.

[uncfan888]

32 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Jury's out on Kony. If he turns it on the last 3/4 of the year, then he was worth it.

You guys are forgeting about Klein, who is a DAMN good LBer and great depth who can play all 3 positions on our defense. Absolutely worthy of the 5th round pick we used on him. 

4th round pick on a backup OT in Williams. Seems worth it. 

Let's not forget UDFAs Brown, Norwell, and Marlowe (may he recover in peace on IR). 

Like someone said, I'll take Dave drafts over Marty drafts all day. 

Yeah.  Even with the stuff going on this year, gettleman has still been better than hurney. Hurney fan boys won't admit that though 

[AceBoogie]

49 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

Yeah.  Even with the stuff going on this year, gettleman has still been better than hurney. Hurney fan boys won't admit that though 

I'm not a Hurney fan boy I just point out that the team wouldn't be competitive without his core group of guys and that Gettleman has struggled to build stability around it as evident with Bene move. 

[RoaringRiot]

32 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

I'm not a Hurney fan boy I just point out that the team wouldn't be competitive without his core group of guys and that Gettleman has struggled to build stability around it as evident with Bene move. 

Yet back-to-back-to-back NFCS Chapionships is the most stable we, or any NFCS team has ever been in the history of the Divison 

The real point is that Hurney couldn't build stability around his core. But I digress to the madness posts....

[AceBoogie]

29 minutes ago, RoaringRiot said:

Yet back-to-back-to-back NFCS Chapionships is the most stable we, or any NFCS team has ever been in the history of the Divison 

The real point is that Hurney couldn't build stability around his core. But I digress to the madness posts....

I mean you're right he couldn't either. And there's only so much credit to be given to a 7-8-1 season. 

[iamhubby1]

3 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

Absolutely! The Panthers rebuilt in 2011, and were only weeks in to 2012 with a new MLB following the injury to Jon Beason. Once everything fell in place that defense helped to close out a strong 2012 finish to set up 2013.

For the second half of 2012, they were 7th in the league against the run for yardage and TDs.

I wanted Landry over Ealy.

 

As for the OP, Star, KK, KB, and Turner. That is all.

Shaq is good, but he was a reach in the first round.

There are a lot of wasted draft picks by Gettleman. Trading up for players like Benwikere and Funchess are some of the worst moves. Then you have the traded picks for Norwood, Allen and Lee.

Trading away the future of the team. I am sure undrafted free agents and scrub 4th tier free agents will make for great depth and possible starters in the years to come.

Maybe the Panthers should have used that 4th round pick on a CB trade instead of a punter. The punter is pointless if you do not have a secondary that can stop the offense from getting 20+ yard receptions and consistent 90 yard drives.

So many bad moves. Cam, Olsen, Stewart, Davis, and Kuechly can only keep this team competitive for so long. Does not help you cut out Steve Smith, DeAngelo Williams, Captain Munnerlyn, Josh Norman, Peanut Tillman and Greg Hardy from making plays while replacing them with inconsistency in KB, CAP, Bene, Bradberry, Worley, and Ealy to replace their play making ability. While I like KB, he is still inconsistent.

It is no wonder the Panthers are struggling to keep winning with a dwindling core of play makers.

 

You say tomato, I say toma'to. What it all boils down to is this; Evidently, the Panthers don't win enough to satisfy you. I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, well, in your case I may be enjoying this more than I should, but, we are doing pretty well up in here.

 

3 straight Divisional Titiles. Conference Champions. SuperB owl appearance. Most fans would love that on their resume. But you are somehow angry because we haven't done better? Ah, ain't that cute.

 

Making poo up to ridicule players/ coaches/ and the FO, is all fun and games for you. I think they have a name for that....oh yeah, Troll.

 

This will be the last time I respond to you.  Although, I will continue to be entertained by your special brand of misery. Carry on dude. You truly are special.

 

 

 

 

[CPantherKing]

3 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

You say tomato, I say toma'to. What it all boils down to is this; Evidently, the Panthers don't win enough to satisfy you. I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings, well, in your case I may be enjoying this more than I should, but, we are doing pretty well up in here.

 

3 straight Divisional Titiles. Conference Champions. SuperB owl appearance. Most fans would love that on their resume. But you are somehow angry because we haven't done better? Ah, ain't that cute.

 

Making poo up to ridicule players/ coaches/ and the FO, is all fun and games for you. I think they have a name for that....oh yeah, Troll.

 

This will be the last time I respond to you.  Although, I will continue to be entertained by your special brand of misery. Carry on dude. You truly are special.

 

 

 

 

Anyone who values a 7-8-1 season because it is a division championship and a playoff showing only to be bounced needs to have their posts examined carefully.

It is still a losing season. It is not a positive in any way. Win one season and lose the next. If the Panthers got participation trophies, these same posters would hold those up as some sort of achievement.

There is one goal and that is to win a SB. I expect the team I am a fan of to approach each season to win the SB. I understand rebuilding for a couple seasons 2011/2012. What I do not understand is getting competitive in 2013 and then cutting the legs out from underneath a competitive team in 2014. Then having the core of the team pick it up and account for the weaknesses given to them from the front office in 2015 only to have the competitive legs cut out from underneath them again in 2016. You only have so many seasons with Cam and Luke at the helm. Leverage the team when they are competitive.

Division championships as the gold standard is for chumps, mediocre players and the casual fan. Win your first SB and then try to build a consistent winner for a shot at a dynasty.

[RoaringRiot]

7 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

I mean you're right he couldn't either. And there's only so much credit to be given to a 7-8-1 season. 

When I see a team all of a sudden click and win a ton of games in a row, make the playoffs and win a game it makes me think the talent was always there and that the coaching and execution finally kicked in. But I'm not a blind "blame GMan at all costs" kinda guy so maybe that's why I feel that way.

[Mr. Scot]

12 hours ago, PandaPancake said:

I see drinking has started

The OP isn't old enough to drink.

When he says something stupid, he can't blame it on being drunk.

[uncfan888]

1 hour ago, RoaringRiot said:

When I see a team all of a sudden click and win a ton of games in a row, make the playoffs and win a game it makes me think the talent was always there and that the coaching and execution finally kicked in. But I'm not a blind "blame GMan at all costs" kinda guy so maybe that's why I feel that way.

Thank God you're not..  We have enough of those. I don't care who our GM is, I just want him to do well and the team to do well.  I don't understand the constant bashing of a guy that has done a pretty admirable job making us a contender and getting us out of cap hell. He had a bad offseason this year and they are so happy to act like he hasn't done anything good since he got here. I'm glad I'm not that type of fan.. I'd be miserable