SO, NOW 15 YARD PERSONAL FOULS AREN'T OFFSET?

[beastson]

Illegal motion should negate the play cause it was pre-snap so the personal foul shouldn't count

Cam had intentional grounding after the snap meaning the personal foul shouldn't have offset the helmet to helmet

[PanthersGOATFan336]

@prouddiddy illeillegal motion on offense is not a 15 yard personal foul penalty

[Proudiddy]

2 minutes ago, beastson said:

Illegal motion should negate the play cause it was pre-snap so the personal foul shouldn't count

Cam had intentional grounding after the snap meaning the personal foul shouldn't have offset the helmet to helmet

The PF especially shouldve stood in Cam's case being that the impending blow to the head that had been allowed to go on all night influenced the throw.

[Bartin]

7 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

they changed it after week 1.

They did not. Cam's IG penalty offset the personal foul because IG includes a loss of down.

[panthers1234]

You guys are retarded. A 15 yard personal foul always overrules an offsides. Its been that way for years. Now a 15 yard penalty will offset to a grounding tho which is what happened in week 1.

You CANT change rules after the season has started... 

[Proudiddy]

7 minutes ago, panthers1234 said:

You guys are retarded. A 15 yard personal foul always overrules an offsides. Its been that way for years. Now a 15 yard penalty will offset to a grounding tho which is what happened in week 1.

You CANT change rules after the season has started... 

It wasnt an offsides penalty, mr.wizard.  it was a pre-snap illegal motion penalty on the offense.

[Paintballr]

You guys are retarded. A 15 yard personal foul always overrules an offsides. Its been that way for years. Now a 15 yard penalty will offset to a grounding tho which is what happened in week 1.

You CANT change rules after the season has started... 

It wasn't a offside penalty, it was a pre snap penalty on the offense


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[Proudiddy]

Bump because we need answers.

[Darvinsun]

Shouldn't  presnap over ride any penality that happens after the play starts mostly like a free play for the defense as in offsides well lined up in neutral zone for the offense. 

[juliosantos]

We had the same thing week 1 vs denver just go the opposite way for us i honestly thing the refs are out to get us

[PanthersATL]

4 hours ago, foozballisthedevil said:

Simple 5 rule. Was about to smash tv with an axe until it was explained. One of the few ways penalties don't offset
 

One of the few times they felt the need to explain the rule. If they hadn't done that, I don't know how the fanbase would have reacted.

[Nate Dogg]

Makes no freaking since. If we're honestly trying to protect players then why let them run the fuging play if there is a PRE SNAP PENALTY? Blow the damn whistle and move onto the next play.

[truthjuice]

Is this why he was in the refs face? We know the rules are different when refereeing a Panthers game. 

[Inimicus]

For anyone else like me who was not in an environment where they could hear the explanation:

http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/17_Rule14_Penalty_Enforcement.pdf

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Section 3
Fouls by Both Teams
DOUBLE FOUL WITHOUT CHANGE OF POSSESSION
Article 1
If there is a double foul (3-11-2-c) without a change of possession, the penalties are offset and the down is replayed at the previous spot. If it was a scrimmage down, the number of the next down and the necessary line is the same as for the down for which the new one is substituted.
15 YARDS VERSUS 5 YARDS
Exceptions:
(1)   If one of the fouls is of a nature that incurs a 15-yard penalty and the other foul of a double foul normally would result in a loss of 5 yards only (15 yards versus 5 yards), the major penalty yardage is to be assessed from the previous spot. See 4-8-2-c-Exc. 2 and 14-1-9-Exc. 2 for dead ball fouls at the end of a half.

 

And Illegal Shifts are not dead ball/pre-snap fouls since the shift doesn't become illegal until the center snaps the ball