How did anyone have faith in this defense coming into the season?

[GoobyPls]

Just breaking it down player by player.

 

TD, Luke, KK and Star are all studs, the problem is you can't rely on DT's to get pressure. 

 

Coleman has been the worst safety in the league, he was a complete product of Norman. He sucked in Philadelphia, and continues to suck here.

 

Worley and Sanchez, what was going through their heads when we drafted these guys? They were terrible at OU and WVU. They couldn't cover college receivers, how on earth would they cover NFL guys.

 

Boston was extremely inconsistent at UNC, a backup safety at best.

 

CJ was washed up 2 years ago, should of never resigned him. Ealy has never ever been good, he had one decent stretch outside of that he's been mediocre at best. Micheal Sam was better than him at Mizzou 

 

Rivera was dealt a terrible hand

[Wundrbread33]

It was all rainbows and sunshine at camp. I mean KB was beasting dudes but he apparently was also beasting Norman last year, so I suppose it was hard to see the reality of our secondary.

[cbully]

denial and superbowl drunkeness... i sobered up quick as i always do when i realized we didn't go after any FAs or draft according

 

[mcdougal]

As much as this is on DG more than anyone...at some point Ron is SUPPOSED to be a defensive genius...that is why he got the damn job in the first place...because his scheme was supposed to be able to do more with less.

Why on god green earth does Ron need 1st round defensive talent at every position to be viable on defense?

So now instead of surrounding our damn MVP QB with talent...Ron needs All-Pro, first round defensive talent to not have QBs go for 500 yards? Thereby taking VALUABLE resources away from the QB that has basically been playing on the same offense that was the worst offense of all time the year prior to his arrival. Instead of getting that side of the ball some help...we are  literally trying to pack the defense with 1st round talent across the board.

 

And then come October, ask our talent-less offense and once in a generation QB to go hand 50 on the Broncos and win shootouts with the Saints...because our defense still needs more time to "work out the kinks." 

[GoobyPls]

1 minute ago, Wundrbread33 said:

It was all rainbows and sunshine at camp. I mean KB was beasting dudes but he apparently was also beasting Norman last year, so I suppose it was hard to see the reality of our secondary.

Never trust training camp heroes. I learned that a long time ago.

 

 

[Wundrbread33]

2 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Never trust training camp heroes. I learned that a long time ago.

 

 

That being said, I do think Bradberry will be legit for us. Sucks he is hurt when we need him to learn.

[gorillamilitia13]

Blinded by last season.

[KillaCamNewton]

As much as I hate to say this, because TD is my favorite player and Luke is a first ballot HOFer and KK and Star are studs, but our talent on defense is at the least impactful positions on the field. Thats not a slight to them at all, but reality is none of those guys are capable of ruining an entire offensive gameplan like a shutdown corner or a dominant pass rusher is. Luke and TD are probably the best in the league at their position, but they almost become obsolete when theres no pass rush and guys can just pick us apart downfield due to a lousy secondary. Its like having 2 dominant post players in basketball but not having a point guard thats capable of bringing the ball down the court. And the lack of talent at DE is taking our tackles out of the game because they can get double teamed every play without the offense worrying about leaving a lineman on an island against one of our ends. Every elite defense right now either has elite talent in the secondary or a dominant edge rusher, we have neither

[Cpt slay a ho]

On this forum people overrated a lot of things and are full of themselves when we're winning. Even last year our pass rush and secondary were weak link at times. People have short memories we blew a lot of leads last year and got away with it. As a gm idk how you look at film and determine a dt, and rookie cb's were going to solve those issues. Front 7 has been overrated since Hardy left and o got tired of hearing they were the reason Norman was good, if I had time I'd go back and call all those fools out but I'm not that petty 

[Fox007]

46 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

On this forum people overrated a lot of things and are full of themselves when we're winning. Even last year our pass rush and secondary were weak link at times. People have short memories we blew a lot of leads last year and got away with it. As a gm idk how you look at film and determine a dt, and rookie cb's were going to solve those issues. Front 7 has been overrated since Hardy left and o got tired of hearing they were the reason Norman was good, if I had time I'd go back and call all those fools out but I'm not that petty 

Yea the problems were there last year as well...we'd go into funks and let teams back into games but were hitting on all cylinders on offense quite often. The defense was getting turnovers because other teams were required to pass to catch up which leads to strip fumbles and INTs...

Not sure how these people who get paid to study film and football get so full ofi t they don't see what's actually happening or why. But yea many on here always say the bs poo like "but they are in the NFL" or "you're not in the nfl" type bs like analyst have to be a pro at whatever it is they are analyzing...so yea these "pros" failed to correctly assess the situation and this fugin masterful disaster is a product of that.

 

[Krovvy]

Remember all that talk about how Josh Norman was just a system corner, a product of our amazing front seven?

[Fox007]

2 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

Remember all that talk about how Josh Norman was just a system corner, a product of our amazing front seven?

No serious person said that lol...our DEs weren't poo last year it was mostly interior pressure which does count and we do have good DTs and LBs but you can tell a good/elite player when you see one and a simple "system" DB wouldn't have been able to make the highlight interceptions Norman was able to make...I mean legit Norman would be beat on a route but jump out the gym and snag some INTs...even that one INT he had and then he fumbled it the announcer said it would have been one of the best interceptions of all time but he fumbled it on the return.

It was a sick INT one that a system only type CB doesn't make. He made those leaping grabs quite a few times...dood was legit to anysort of half asses NFl fan.

[Krovvy]

5 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

No serious person said that lol...our DEs weren't poo last year it was mostly interior pressure which does count and we do have good DTs and LBs but you can tell a good/elite player when you see one and a simple "system" DB wouldn't have been able to make the highlight interceptions Norman was able to make...I mean legit Norman would be beat on a route but jump out the gym and snag some INTs...even that one INT he had and then he fumbled it the announcer said it would have been one of the best interceptions of all time but he fumbled it on the return.

It was a sick INT one that a system only type CB doesn't make. He made those leaping grabs quite a few times...dood was legit to anysort of half asses NFl fan.

I read that quite a few times on Panthers fansites. Check out the comments of threads and blog posts after Josh Norman walked.

[GoobyPls]

30 minutes ago, Krovvy said:

Remember all that talk about how Josh Norman was just a system corner, a product of our amazing front seven?

People in this board have terrible memory. The first half of the season our pass rush was horrific. We went 3 whole games without a legit sack . Norman still shutdown his side of the filed with no pass rush.