Let's have a rational conversation about our GM

[AceBoogie]

5 minutes ago, Vinício Grossi said:

Ok, let's be rational...

2 years ago, the Broncos got smashed by the Seahawks in the Super Bowl... They had a really good team, but not a great one. They had flaws and they worked to fix them on the next season. They grabed Sanders, TJ Ward, Talib and Ware! Look... One Rush Edger, and 2 DBs.... sounds familiar no?

What happend next, we All know... and hey, they still have a very strong unite, capitalized by that free agency

We, on the oder hand, made the opposite.

Everyone knows that our DEs were Just average, as long as our DBs. We let our Top CB go cause our GM Ego is the most important thing. Grimes, Amukamara, Hayward, Sean Smith... we didn't get anyone.

Cam was the MVP, and our RT was expossed on the Super Bowl... do we upgrade our OL to protect our best player? NOOOO

But hey, we drafted a DT in the 1st round so now we can let KK go and stay with 20MM avaiable on the Cap!

The rational talk is not about the mistakes, it's about the attitudes (lack off). He did not seek to strengthen our weaknesses. It's not as if we had drafted Tackle or Corner with our 1st round pick, or we had signed and / or traded for a DE and some DBs in the off season. He did nothing to improve our team. That's BS

fug DG AS HIS EGO

Homerun in his first at bat. Bravo

[The_Rainmaker]

16 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

He did not ignore the line, he improved it with the signings of Oher and Remmers. Oher was damn decent bordering on good last year. Remmers was average. That's a far cry from the year before that with Bell and Chandler. This season they seem to have stepped back and I don't think anyone was expecting such a drop off in their performance from last season. 

One is JAG the other is  turnstile it's upgrade because of how terrible Bell & Chandler where,but for league standard it was lateral move not upgrade. If you want to win SB your gonna have to spend money on top quality OTs or invest in high draft pick. I think the bigger issue is That DG doesn't value the OT position 

[Benotheking]

7 minutes ago, Growl said:

"Coach better" lol

why hasn't this occurred to anybody before

what sage wisdom you've bequeathed upon us

 

 

But its all Dave fault ?

[GoobyPls]

2 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

KB, Brown, Ginn, Funches

Remmers, Oher, Norwell, Turner

Tillman, Coleman, Finnegan, Mitchell, 3 rookies this year

I pied you for the first part of your post but I disagree with part two. Gettleman most definitely has addressed positions of need with drafts and free agency since he has been there. While Oher and Remmers are not studs, they were upgrades over their predecessors. I think the problem people have is that they want the results now, and with rookies it takes time for them to come into their own. We won't necessarily get the instant gratification from them that we would a very expensive vet, but the moves will help out long term. 

Brown, Remmers, Norwell all UDFA.

Oher, Ginn, Coleman, Finnegan, Tillman all free agents no other teams wanted.

How about using your first round pick, you know the pick usually that works out for teams the most often in a position we need, instead of bench warmers. 

NFL  stands for not for long, think about the future get you fired especially on a SB contending team. This is not a rebuilding team, we shouldn't have three rookie starting corners

[Growl]

So far the only defense of Gettleman people have been able to mount is a handful of backup role players he's brought in or acting befuddled that terrible players like mike remmers and teddy Williams are playing bad.

 

"How could have gettleman have known!?!?"

 

lol everyone else did except the most passionate homer contingent of this board. Mike remmers was never "average."  Its seems as if people are trying to rectify what's happening with long held arguments they made in the offseason. Guess what? Mike Remmers never actually had "just one bad game." That was never at any point accurate.

[GoobyPls]

4 minutes ago, Benotheking said:

Dave had absolutely nothing to do with that 15 and 1 season ? How come most people are blaming the veteran leadership we lose that Dave provided for us last year as a reason way we are 1 and 5 ? if we are using that logic Dave was a big reason why won because of the veteran leadership he provide for us last year

Read this article. We had no business going 15-1 last year. Even most here thought we were a .500 team before the season started,

 

https://www.google.com/amp/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/nfl/2016/10/11/13241004/carolina-panthers-riverboat-ron-losing-team-super-bowl-bets?client=safari

[Ricky Spanish]

1 minute ago, Growl said:

So far the only defense of Gettleman people have been able to mount is a handful of backup role players he's brought in or acting befuddled that terrible players like mike remmers and teddy Williams are playing bad.

 

"How could have gettleman have known!?!?"

 

lol everyone else did except the most passionate homer contingent of this board. Mike remmers was never "average."  Its seems as if people are trying to rectify what's happening with long held arguments they made in the offseason. Guess what? Mike Remmers never actually had "just one bad game." That was never at any point accurate.

Well when you've watched Byron bell and Nate Chandler play OT for the previous couple years, anything better than "absolute dog poo" looks average in comparison. 

And back up role players? Come on dude. Turner, Star, KK, Norwell, and KB aren't back up role players.

[Snake]

4 minutes ago, Growl said:

ah yes who doesn't remember where they were when they got to see ted ginn Jr as they got to watch ted Ginn run to the bench as quickly as possible week in and week in and week out.

 

 

While we sit at 1-5 with so much to bitch about this is what you bitch about? Please come back when you can at least have a valid argument. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Benotheking said:

Yup and we still started 1 and 3 and took Ron Rivera being on the hot seat  for him to coach better. 

The record through the first six games for every season under Rivera:

2011: 1-5

2012: 1-5

2013: 3-3 (after opening 1-3)

2014: 3-2-1 (tied the Bengals, then lost the next six)

2015: 6-0

2016: 1-5

You can see a bump when Gettleman takes over but the trend of slow starting hasn't exactly gone away.

Couple this with the fact that Zod has reported many times how the training camps under Rivera never seemed all that energetic.

 

[Benotheking]

3 minutes ago, The_Rainmaker said:

One is JAG the other is  turnstile it's upgrade because of how terrible Bell & Chandler where,but for league standard it was lateral move not upgrade. If you want to win SB your gonna have to get spend money on top quality OTs or invest in high draft pick. I think the bigger issue is That DG doesn't value the OT position 

Yup because that why Seahawks the Giants the ravens and pats won their Superbowl

[Ricky Spanish]

4 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Brown, Remmers, Norwell all UDFA.

Oher, Ginn, Coleman, Finnegan, Tillman all free agents no other teams wanted.

How about using your first round pick, you know the pick usually that works out for teams the most often in a position we need, instead of bench warmers. 

NFL  stands for not for long, think about the future get you fired especially on a SB contending team. This is not a rebuilding team, we shouldn't have three rookie starting corners

I'll agree with you there. There should have been a vet presence other than McClain back there. 

[frash.exe]

Every thread I read there's like ten million ppl who don't know what they're talking about going "Gettleman should've signed a DE." "Gettleman should've locked up Norman." "Gettleman should've drafted an OT." "Gettleman should've paid top dollar to fill every hole on the team" "Gettleman should've constructed additional pylons."

[Growl]

12 minutes ago, Snake said:

We still can't pay for high level talent that we need to overcome Ron and his poor adjustments. Better? 

"poor adjustments" lol.

So far, people criticizing Gettleman have laid out very specific points where mistakes were made whereas the few people criticizing Ron have founded an a entire argument on vague cliches like this with nary an example to accompany it.

 

"ugh the players need to be put in better positon"

"leader of men"

" poor adjustments"

 

lol

[greghardy'sAK-47]

the worst job ever done by a GM coming off a one loss reg season and SB.  guy allowed emotion and hubris and dollar store shopping to dictate his decision making process this off-season.