First coaching scapegoat?

[Bartin]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

It always is the coaches decision technically.  At some point, coaches get pressed....so his option is either to tell his GM he sucked or let go a coach who couldn't turn water into wine. 

Not a unique thing.  Happens every season 

I bet Ron would fall on his sword if Gettleman tried to force him to fire McDermott or Wilks. Ron is too loyal to let that happen and then if Gettleman tried to press it it would get taken to Jerry where Ron could plead the case that Dave gave him a bunch of dogshit to work with this season and is trying to pass off his own failures on the coaching staff.

[uncfan888]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So I take it you're just going to keep pressing forward with this premise even though it's not realistic at all?

What's going to happen is that if Rivera does let someone go, he'll say that Gettleman made him do it. Regardless of if it's true or not. I guarantee that will happen

[AceBoogie]

38 minutes ago, CRA said:

Sure it does. Peanut, Norman, Coleman, Harper played with very weak DE play almost all season last year.   We aren't even in the same ballpark in terms of DB talent.

Our DBs helped the DL often last year.  Gave them more time. 

You take any two cornerbacks from any major college program this year and put them in our secondary. You will see no drop off, perhaps an improvement. That's how bad it is back there. 

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So I take it you're just going to keep pressing forward with this premise even though it's not realistic at all?

Huh? 

We went 15-1 last year....and are now 1-5 with little reason to think we will hit .500.  We already scapegoated our best DB. 

Scapegoating coaches soon isn't realistic? It happens every season in the NFL.  Coaches are hired and fired on talent all the time.  NFL coaches know "fair" doesn't mean squat.  

Gettlemen isn't going to end his season press conference by saying he screwed everything up with his horrible offseason 

 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, CRA said:

Huh? 

We went 15-1 last year....and are now 1-5 with little reason to think we will hit .500.  We already scapegoated our best DB. 

Scapegoating coaches soon isn't realistic? It happens every season in the NFL.  Coaches are hired and fired on talent all the time.  NFL coaches know "fair" doesn't mean squat.  

Gettlemen isn't going to end his season press conference by saying he screwed everything up with his horrible offseason 

 

As has been pointed out repeatedly, assistant hires and fires fall under the head coach. Gettleman has steadfastly refused to usurp that authority, even at a time when Richard Rodgers was the worst special teams coach in the league.

If, as you suggest, Gettleman tries to pressure Rivera , then Rivera likely fights back, and probably loses.

So again, if Gettleman fires a coach, it'll be Rivera.

[Bartin]

14 minutes ago, uncfan888 said:

What's going to happen is that if Rivera does let someone go, he'll say that Gettleman made him do it. Regardless of if it's true or not. I guarantee that will happen

Ron would never say that publicly, but I bet he would leak it

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

As has been pointed out repeatedly, assistant hires and fires fall under the head coach. Gettleman has steadfastly refused to usurp that authority, even at a time when Richard Rodgers was the worst special teams coach in the league.

If, as you suggest, Gettleman tries to pressure Rivera , then Rivera likely fights back, and probably loses.

So again, if Gettleman fires a coach, it'll be Rivera.

Yes, and Ron will be pressed for an answer. So just like every NFL season where teams experience it....Ron will offer up someone.

you are focusing on a technicality of it.  We both agree that yes, Ron would fire the guy.  But the reason he fires him will be Gettlemen forces him to offer up someone to throw under the bus

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

Yes, and Ron will be pressed for an answer. So just like every NFL season where teams experience it....Ron will offer up someone.

you are focusing on a technicality of it.  We both agree that yes, Ron would fire the guy.  But the reason he fires him will be Gettlemen forces him to offer up someone to throw under the bus

Then why didn't he force him to fire Richard Rodgers?

If Gettleman fires anybody, it'll be someone in scouting, personnel, or Rivera. Those are the people that report directly to him.

If a coach is fired, it'll be Rivera doing the firing, and he won't have to be forced. He's fired assistants before.

You can keep spinning this to support a flawed premise if you want, but you can't change that you started off with incorrect info.

[iamhubby1]

So...we have had a "Fire Gman" thread.

 

A fire RR thread.

 

A fire Shula thread.

 

It's a lack of talent with the players thread.

 

And a, we have talent thread.

 

All that is left is the dreaded, we wish bad things on the owner, thread.

 

So basically, we are just rewashing thoughts that have already been aired. How long can this practice continue. There is nothing new to argue over, and nothing new to spout over those issues.

 

It is Monday of week 7. And we have exhausted all our complaints. Whatever shall we do?

[shaqattaq]

3 hours ago, Growl said:

NFL doesn't really work this way though. Staffing ultimatums are an annual thing.

And frankly, as long as the offense continues to do well, Dave's only choice may be to scapegoat the staff at the very top. McDermott is too high profile to cut without it being seen for what it is-a scapegoat manuever- and while Shula may be the perfect candidate, the offense is performing.

 

The only thing Dave could do at that point is do away with Ron and crusade about how "he won't tolerate failure" publically and loudly.

 

 

So who do we bring in to coach? Shula or McDermott don't deserve a promotion. Unless he has someone in mind that will do a better job than Rivera, who just signed a big money contract extension, nothing will happen to him mid season.

[ThPantherFan]

4 hours ago, Bartin said:

scream Shula all you want

The first coach I'd like to see go.  Honestly, I don't think any coach will get fired.  McDermott may leave for a head coaching position.  Maybe some conditioning coaches.  Who knows?  It's all speculation.  I've been reading a lot (here and the media) about the NFL being rigged.  Who knows?  I don't.

[Ace_Aladdin]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Then why didn't he force him to fire Richard Rodgers?

If Gettleman fires anybody, it'll be someone in scouting, personnel, or Rivera. Those are the people that report directly to him.

If a coach is fired, it'll be Rivera doing the firing, and he won't have to be forced. He's fired assistants before.

You can keep spinning this to support a flawed premise if you want, but you can't change that you started off with incorrect info.

I think DG wanted to hire s new coach when he was hired  it but that authority is only for J.R. either take the job or be a scout for life. P.S Dave will be gone befor Ron much as you hate the coaching staff 

[beastson]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Then why didn't he force him to fire Richard Rodgers?

If Gettleman fires anybody, it'll be someone in scouting, personnel, or Rivera. Those are the people that report directly to him.

If a coach is fired, it'll be Rivera doing the firing, and he won't have to be forced. He's fired assistants before.

You can keep spinning this to support a flawed premise if you want, but you can't change that you started off with incorrect info.

Idk about reporting, but Gettleman didn't bring in Ron, Shula, Mcdermott and them. Those are Ron people. That would be wrong to just fire them, Ron (I hope) would no longer want to the be the HC if that happens. I'm sure if Gettle wanted to be an asshole and flex his muscle, he could do so

[CRA]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Then why didn't he force him to fire Richard Rodgers?

If Gettleman fires anybody, it'll be someone in scouting, personnel, or Rivera. Those are the people that report directly to him.

If a coach is fired, it'll be Rivera doing the firing, and he won't have to be forced. He's fired assistants before.

You can keep spinning this to support a flawed premise if you want, but you can't change that you started off with incorrect info.

You just seem to be nitpicking the fact Rivera will do the firing.  Which I agree with.  But Gettlemen will be the cause.  Because the only other option will eventually be Ron falling on the sword or putting it on his boss (if the season continues as is)

Rivera will be the one who fires the coach.   He will fire him because of pressure from Gettlemen.  It ultimately will be Gettlemen that applies the pressure to Rivera.  The pressure will be an explanation for why our Super Bowl team might now be a top 5 draft team.

If it was up to Ron he likely rides all his coaches to the end of the season.  But Ron eventually will be pressured by Gettlemen for a "reason" if the current trend continues.  So Ron like any other HC will be forced to sacrifice someone. 

And it will all be BS.  Hence my comment about how Gettlemen would cost someone his job because of Gettlemen's poorly executed offseason.