Final offensive play - Discuss

[Peppers90 NC]

11 minutes ago, dcpanther89 said:

You must be blind. This sack wasn't on him if he threw it to ginn as soon as he got open there's no guarantee he would've caught it let alone got the first down. Cam was trying to wait until he say someone open then looked to ginn to throw to him while in stride. Because we all know Ginn is more likely to catch the ball on the move. This was on the line they couldn't even hold up 6 fuging seconds.


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6 seconds? no line is asked to do that, 3 seconds is the norm.

[Cpt slay a ho]

For situations like this is why we need shifty speed guys to get in and out of there cuts fast to create some separation


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[The Lobo]

41 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

am i seeing something different? i see ginn breaking open and cam winding up to throw to him right as he gets hit. no way to really throw that ball early until the slot guy draws the nickel past ginn or he can jump the route (the CB covering ginn was clearly playing zone and would've covered the slot receiver if the nickel had released him.)

imo if cam throws that ball at ginn a second earlier it's a pick. if fozzy makes a block and gives him an extra half second it's a catch and first and goal at the 25.

Correct. If this were around the horn, I'd give you alot of points.

[Still Brooklyn]

Guys, guys, if Cam had 2313123123 seconds to throw it, we'd have probably won!

[*FreeFua*]

4 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

For situations like this is why we need shifty speed guys to get in and out of there cuts fast to create some separation


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[Navy_football]

2 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Yes, it's time...

[KillerKat]

It looks like Ginn hesitated so he doesn't run into the other WR. Great play design there.

[KB_fan]

1 minute ago, Navy_football said:

Yes, it's time...

I tend to agree.  I would like to see Byrd get playing time now that we're (barring an utter miracle) out of contention.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Ultimately this play is a failure due to fozzy being worthless in helping Turner


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[*FreeFua*]

Byrd should've been on the active roster from day 1. Byrd showed enough in the preseason where he should've beat out Philly.

[CPantherKing]

24 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

I like Ginn but the hesitation in the route makes me wonder if he ran the wrong route.  If he slants behind the slot he would be in Cam's view and had ton of yardage for god knows how many yards.

The target was KB.

Only one person actually recognized the play as corner routes against a deep cover 2 zone, and KB was open. He set up a nice zone between the hash and the sideline.

Ginn did not run the wrong route. He hesitated to draw the CB down and free up the zone for KB. If Ginn runs the crossing route too quick, then the CB would stay high and take KB while the nickel on KB would come off to Ginn on the inside with the LB rotating over to bracket Ginn. By Ginn hesitating on his route near the outside before he crosses he forces the CB to come down from the deep zone in a cover 2.

Cam takes a 7 yard drop, looks off the safety, and then throws to KB. He needed an extra 0.2 seconds in the pocket to get the ball to KB.

Cam may have dropped a couple yards too far. He is 9 yards from the LoS. This would mess up the pass blocking on the edge.

[KillerKat]

1 hour ago, thomas96 said:

I hate to say it but Cam deserves as much blame for this year as anybody else. I don't know what the hell happened but he looks like a different player from last year. And no it's not due to the OL.

Yes it is due to the OL. Shula as well. If you understood football, you would see that. Shula still doesn't call quick routes. Everything is still long developing. The OL isn't good enough for the plays we try to run. Also, if a QB gets hit a lot it affects him mentally ala David Carr.

[Navy_football]

4 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

It looks like Ginn hesitated so he doesn't run into the other WR. Great play design there.

I was thinking that too, but if he was running a slant or an in route, I think Cam would have looked at him first. And he or KB would have been the first read. 

I think he was actually supposed to run a curl there (ridiculous) and when he didn't get the ball right away he was just moving back towards the QB instead of just standing there. 

[KillerKat]

52 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

am i seeing something different? i see ginn breaking open and cam winding up to throw to him right as he gets hit. no way to really throw that ball early until the slot guy draws the nickel past ginn or he can jump the route (the CB covering ginn was clearly playing zone and would've covered the slot receiver if the nickel had released him.)

imo if cam throws that ball at ginn a second earlier it's a pick. if fozzy makes a block and gives him an extra half second it's a catch and first and goal at the 25.

Exactly. Ginn also stopped for a split second so that he doesn't run into the other WR.