DG's draft success so far

[General_Purr]

this opinion based on personal likes/dislikes of player... = poor

 

 

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[The_Rainmaker]

Just now, rico6 said:

San Fran? ATL? NO? ARI??

ARI he would have to better at coverage

San Fran has Hodges & Lynch (NaVorro will be back)

ATL - Jones , maybe

NO- Robertson , Ellerbe

[AceBoogie]

Criticizing gettleman is as much as an endorsement for Hurney as much as criticizing trump is an endorsement for Hillary.

Hurney was mediocre as well but the one thing he deserves credit for is drafting a good core of guys. 

I criticize Gettleman because he hasn't developed a consistent supporting casts around those guys. 

[Saca312]

2 hours ago, The_Rainmaker said:

Yeah why don't you do that results might surprise you  

 

 

 

Refer to this thread.

[OneBadCat]

Funchess actually gets open. He's not being utilized enough 

[uncfan888]

Nice hurney breakdown. Rainmaker will come in here and say something dumb in a big font  soon. Then CPK will throw up all over this thread again.  The Gettleman bashers are so predictable 

[CRA]

Didn't even read it all yet but just looking at 2002 as a F? 

1.  Hall of Famer

2.  Decent committee RB

3. Above average LB here (if this is about drafting ability the fact we let him go is a different discussion)

4. Solid CB who played for a decade 

first four picks in no way make that a F.  Sometimes all you want out of a draft pick is a decent player that can contribute around your super studs.

your grading seems overly harsh.  How are those busts? Eric Shelton was a bust.  Dante Wesley wasn't a Revis but you need to hit on decent role players like Wesley

 

 

 

 

and GMs bust on top draft picks ALL the time.  You seem to suggest they are locks.  Very few GMs would have pulled the trigger on Newton at 1 as well.  Can't discredit them

[Cpt slay a ho]

Although I'm not a gurney supporter that was a bad breakdown of his draft picks


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[Saca312]

14 minutes ago, CRA said:

Didn't even read it all yet but just looking at 2002 as a F? 

1.  Hall of Famer

2.  Decent committee RB

3. Above average LB here (if this is about drafting ability the fact we let him go is a different discussion)

4. Solid CB who played for a decade 

first four picks in no way make that a F.  Sometimes all you want out of a draft pick is a decent player that can contribute around your super studs.

your grading seems overly harsh.  How are those busts? Eric Shelton was a bust.  Dante Wesley wasn't a Revis but you need to hit on decent role players like Wesley

 

 

 

 

and GMs bust on top draft picks ALL the time.  You seem to suggest they are locks.  Very few GMs would have pulled the trigger on Newton at 1 as well.  Can't discredit them

I'm not gonna overvalue and overgrade any draft based on a top 3 pick. You realize we're talking at the minimum hopeful pro bowl talent as a top 5 pick, period. Sure, busts happen, but they're less likely that high. I'm not gonna give what would be a F- draft if we missed on Newton to a B because every other round was pretty much a flop. And because he's the first overall pick, well, there's that factor. One could argue the other QBs were busts as well from that draft, but still, it's the number one pick. The rest of the Newton draft was terrible. 

I'll admit Hurney seems to hit on those top level talents, and that's what made him great in that area. He recently nailed 2 once in a generation type of players in the 2011 and 2012 first round drafts. However, what he fails at is finding considerable other players at the backend of drafts, something Gettleman excels at.

I'll take Gettleman finding talent in more rounds than none than Hurney any day. 

And considering Gettleman hasn't tasted a top 10 pick yet, well, that's another story.

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

I'm not gonna overvalue and overgrade any draft based on a top 3 pick. You realize we're talking at the minimum hopeful pro bowl talent as a top 5 pick, period. Sure, busts happen, but they're less likely that high. I'm not gonna give what would be a F- draft if we missed on Newton to a B because every other round was pretty much a flop. And because he's the first overall pick, well, there's that factor. One could argue the other QBs were busts as well from that draft, but still, it's the number one pick. The rest of the Newton draft was terrible. 

I'll admit Hurney seems to hit on those top level talents, and that's what made him great in that area. He recently nailed 2 once in a generation type of players in the 2011 and 2012 first round drafts. However, what he fails at is finding considerable other players at the backend of drafts, something Gettleman excels at.

I'll take Gettleman finding talent in more rounds than none than Hurney any day. 

And considering Gettleman hasn't tasted a top 10 pick yet, well, that's another story.

Well Spoon, Foster and Wesley all after Hall of Fame Peppers in that draft.  They weren't spectacular.  But hitting on Hall of Famer and following it up with 3 good role players isn't a F. 

2010 and 2011 were his weakest overall.  Hurney IMO got worse in all aspects as he went along.

Hurney first few years here were strong.  He just failed once he got a decent core in together.  But he built it up right 

[juliosantos]

good post i agree .people overrate gettledouche when he only had one good draft

[Saca312]

Just now, CRA said:

Well Spoon, Foster and Wesley all after Hall of Fame Peppers in that draft.  They weren't spectacular.  But hitting on Hall of Famer and following it up with 3 good role players isn't a F. 

2010 and 2011 were his weakest overall.  Hurney IMO got worse in all aspects as he went along.

Hurney first few years here were strong.  He just failed once he got a decent core in together.  But he built it up right 

Spoon was decent, but Foster really busted amid his hype. Underperformed in my opinion, and many fans would agree. I did up my grade though considering the circumstances, as mainly that Peppers debacle was on my mind as I typed it. I gave him a D, considering he still got Spoon and Peppers (though it was the number 2 overall; so not going to overgrade). Wesley is decent, but nothing spectacular from him that was eye-popping.

He had some good drafts, but most are mediocre-awful in my honest opinion.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

Spoon was decent, but Foster really busted amid his hype. Underperformed in my opinion, and many fans would agree. I did up my grade though considering the circumstances, as mainly that Peppers debacle was on my mind as I typed it. I gave him a D, considering he still got Spoon and Peppers (though it was the number 2 overall; so not going to overgrade). Wesley is decent, but nothing spectacular from him that was eye-popping.

He had some good drafts, but most are mediocre-awful in my honest opinion.

I would agree Foster underperformed expectations. I just disagree he was a bust. Bust generally don't contribute in 2 runs to NFC Title games and he did. 

My point in regards to Wesley is you aren't suppose to draft a Luke in every round.  Wesley was a 4th round 10 yr CB.  He was a solid role player.  

Roleplayers or JAGs (people use to hate when I called James Anderson that) are VERY important.  You need them surrounding your few studs.  Probably are biggest issue is we don't have enough decent roleplayers right now around our studs

[Mr. Scot]

Foster had his moments, but what really puts that pick in perspective is that he was chosen over Clinton Portis. Sadly, there are other examples of picks like that.

What you also have to factor in with Hurney's draft grades are the trades of future picks, like a future first for Everette Brown and a future #33 overall for Armanti Edwards. And that's not even accounting for his (thankfully unsuccessful) attempts to trade up for Jimmy Clausen.

And then there's things like the entire 2011 draft outside of Cam being gone in something like three to four years. And that wasn't the first draft to disappear in short order.

Bottom Line: Outside of round one, Hurney was mediocre at best, and frequently terrible.