What do we do about Ted Ginn this offseason

[panthers55]

Ted knows that he is better here than anywhere else he has been. He is also still productive and can still take the top off defenses. I think you sign him to a 2 year contract just don't give him a huge signing bonus or guaranteed money and you have a low risk veteran until you can upgrade. Win-win

[Davidson Deac II]

Surprised this topic is even being discussed.  He has been our best receiver over the last several games, and his punt returns have gotten better.  We keep him, as long as his contract requirements are reasonable.

[iamhubby1]

7 hours ago, RumHam said:

Can we just have someone that is an actual kick returner? Why is Fozzy and Joe Webb returning kicks? Do we never want to run a kick back?

 

All valid questions. I will say, most Coaches hate using a roster spot just on a Returner. So they want their guy to actually play a position. Our only true Returner is Ginn Jr., and Coaches don't want to use him there, but are fine with him at Punt Return?

 

Maybe Byrd will force them to keep him next year as a WR. Cuz, IMO, that is the only way we get a solid Returner.

 

As much as it hurts this team to draft a guy with the skills to Return, Smitty started as one. There are a bunch of kids who started as Returners who are now making a name for themselves at WR. Why can't we do that? Maybe be a bit aggressive, and just take one of those kids.

 

But yeah, valid questions.

 

Wow, not sure where that came from, or what to do with it. But it must have been important at one time. So I'm gon leave it here. Mkay?

 

[iamhubby1]

18 minutes ago, Davidson Deac II said:

Surprised this topic is even being discussed.  He has been our best receiver over the last several games, and his punt returns have gotten better.  We keep him, as long as his contract requirements are reasonable.

 

There was a stretch of games toward the end of the year last year where he looked as physical as I had ever seen him. Then he got hit during the atl game, and he has not looked like that since. Then a couple weeks ago he started looking that way again. Where he wasn't headed straight out of bounds. But he has looked more physical, for him anywho, in the last few games.

 

He probably never will be a physical player. But if he continues to at least play like an actual foozeball player. That can help us.

[davos]

1 hour ago, Rags said:

 

There. There's our solution.

Duuuude with Dede, Ross, and Corey Davis, this WR class is hard to ignore.  The top of the group is very hard to pass up IMO.  

[CarolinaPride90]

Here is the answer to our speed problem at WR, instant Ginn replacement and has #1 potential eventually:

 

 

[CPantherKing]

Let Ginn walk and draft McCaffery.

Keep Ginn on with a specialist role if he takes $1M per season.

[iamhubby1]

1 minute ago, CPantherKing said:

Let Ginn walk and draft McCaffery.

Keep Ginn on with a specialist role if he takes $1M per season.

 

First. You don't let Ginn Jr. walk, without having a viable replacement for him. And McCaffery ain't it. You want to put a Rookie RB in for Teddy?

 

Teddy has proven to us he is worth more than a 1mil deal. Talk about a slap in the face. First you want to cut him, then offer him a cut rate contract. Using that plan is probably the best way to make sure he isn't a Panther next year.

 

If you want to "CJ" him, I can see it. But you still have to offer him a fair contract. And barely over Vet minimum? Not sure I would call that a "Fair" contract.

 

Oh, and as it sits right now. Teddy is making fair money. He is in no way over paid as it is. Why you got to short change him?

[GoobyPls]

5 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

 

 

 

I feel your pain, heck, most of us do. But most also realize that finding fast guys is easy. It is finding fast guys that can actually catch, or run more than one route, that IS not easy.

 

I mean, c'mon man. If fast guys with hands were so prevalent, more teams would have 1, or 2. It is because they are so fast, and exciting, that it just seems like there are more of them that there truly is.

 

 

 

Ginn Isn't some hot commodity, someone like Tyler Lockett can easily replace him. A guy like Desean Jackson or Ty Hilton would double his production.

I want to keep Ginn but people making him out to be someone great deep threat are just talk themselves into lies.

[iamhubby1]

18 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Ginn Isn't some hot commodity, someone like Tyler Lockett can easily replace him. A guy like Desean Jackson or Ty Hilton would double his production.

I want to keep Ginn but people making him out to be someone great deep threat are just talk themselves into lies.

 

The problem is, you just named half the guys in the league that can do what you want a WR to do. OK, maybe not half, but you get my point. There just aren't that many splashy WRs out there. If they do get to FA, they are overly expensive. So if we are going to get one, we have to draft one, and I don't see us drafting a WR this year. We need to much elsewhere, we need our draft picks at DE, LT, or S. And even that may be tough.

 

I don't hear many folks saying Teddy is great. Almost everyone has concerns with his hands. But hey, he has almost 1,500yds, and 14TDs in the last 2 years. Not bad, not great. But it helps us. What's wrong with that.

 

Getting a player to overtake Teddy is on almost everyone's wish list. Unfortunately, it is easier said than done.

 

When Cam is being Cam. Our WR corp can get the job done. But our WR corp can't cover for Cam when he is off. So I do agree that more talent is needed. But I just don't think it is high on the to do list. If it happens yeah, but there really are more important dealings in need of our resources.

[GoobyPls]

29 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

The problem is, you just named half the guys in the league that can do what you want a WR to do. OK, maybe not half, but you get my point. There just aren't that many splashy WRs out there. If they do get to FA, they are overly expensive. So if we are going to get one, we have to draft one, and I don't see us drafting a WR this year. We need to much elsewhere, we need our draft picks at DE, LT, or S. And even that may be tough.

 

I don't hear many folks saying Teddy is great. Almost everyone has concerns with his hands. But hey, he has almost 1,500yds, and 14TDs in the last 2 years. Not bad, not great. But it helps us. What's wrong with that.

 

Getting a player to overtake Teddy is on almost everyone's wish list. Unfortunately, it is easier said than done.

 

When Cam is being Cam. Our WR corp can get the job done. But our WR corp can't cover for Cam when he is off. So I do agree that more talent is needed. But I just don't think it is high on the to do list. If it happens yeah, but there really are more important dealings in need of our resources.

Not true, Mike Wallace is making around 5 mill a year and Travis Benjamin around 6 mill a year. Both rather cheap for today inflated league contracts.

And saying we need a DE or a Safety more than a WR is your opinion, our defense has especially our front has played stellar the majority of the season. On the other our offense has struggled mightily even in games in which we cored more than 30 (NO, Oak, Atl) the offense played horribly the first half's.

Its time we start building around Cam, defense can wait for a season and for the most part our defense is young. It starts with getting him better weapons and more protection. Ginn being our most productive receiver is a really bad sign

[Rags]

3 hours ago, CarolinaPride90 said:

Here is the answer to our speed problem at WR, instant Ginn replacement and has #1 potential eventually:

 

 

Also a good choice.

[iamhubby1]

2 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Not true, Mike Wallace is making around 5 mill a year and Travis Benjamin around 6 mill a year. Both rather cheap for today inflated league contracts.

And saying we need a DE or a Safety more than a WR is your opinion, our defense has especially our front has played stellar the majority of the season. On the other our offense has struggled mightily even in games in which we cored more than 30 (NO, Oak, Atl) the offense played horribly the first half's.

Its time we start building around Cam, defense can wait for a season and for the most part our defense is young. It starts with getting him better weapons and more protection. Ginn being our most productive receiver is a really bad sign

 

I know you are trying to convince me that we need WR help. Cuz you are on the "Get Cam more weapons" train. And for the most part, I too can hear the whistle comin'. I gave you a LT. (Which you conveniently left out of your rebuttal.) What more do you want? Sheesh.

 

I bolded this to ask a question. Why do you feel the need to point out something is "My opinion" like it is a bad thing? You seem to be of the "Opinion" we need Offense. Neither holds more sway than the other. And actually, my opinion is, get more studs. Period.

 

IMO. The 1st round is for your Hog Mollies. If you can get your LT of the future, you dang well better grab him. If he ain't there, you go get you the DE that tickles your innards. If he ain't there, then you go Skill Position. Point being, you get you a Stud in the 1st round. And for the most part, that is exactly what Gman has done.

 

There are only two viable ways to get you a stud. Draft, and FA. We will have decent draft position, and some actual money to play with. I know it's fun to play the GM and all. But man, I am so anxious to see what Gman, and Ron do this off-season I can hardly stand it.

 

P.S. I just don't see us drafting a Stud WR in the 1st this year. Unless Gman brings in a solid LT, and a Stud DE during FA. If that were to happen. Then yeah, maybe I could see them drafting a Ginn Jr. clone. One of those fast, quick twitch, jitter bug types, who can return KOs, and Punts, and ease into the WR unit.

 

Sorry, once again, I kinda got carried away. Poo happens, what can I say. Happy Holidays?

 

 

[Udogg]

7 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

Man, you were doing so well there for a while. Then thud, you throw out that clunker.

 

 

 

 

Yeah did go out there.. but hear me out.

Think about it, everyone talks about what Ginn does and how easy he can be replaced.  Tell me, other than maybe the catch against Seattle 2 years ago, what has KB /Funchess done, that we feel is unreplaceable?

Everyone assumed that KB would be an upgrade at the WR position.  I'm saying maybe he's not, or at least not the way we are using him. When both KB and funch are off the field, we are a better team.    

So if we are better with them off, and better with Tedd Ginn (even with his drops), maybe the people who need the upgrade are Funchess and KB.