Unnecessary Roughness 101

[grimesgoat]

40 minutes ago, TheRed said:

I just don't buy this at all.

Aaron Rodgers, and Tom Brady are both plenty flamboyant, and display their own level of arrogance.

Rodgers made a string of commercials out of his touchdown celebration, and Brady chases down refs screaming at them on nationally televised games.

Someone would have to really have their head in the sand to think race plays no factor whatsoever.

I don't think my head is in the sand.  But there are other factors besides race that could impact the equation.  Refs may see Cam as a big dude that can take a little more of a lick.  Or they see him as too cocky and needs to be taken down a peg.  Neither of which justifies the non-calls.  But neither has to do with race.

[ladypanther]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

no, the rule specifically says forcible.  Which is why Blandino has nitpicked that word out over and over this year.

According to Rule 7, Section 2, Article 1(d), Note 2, "A defender must pull up when a runner begins a feet-first slide. This does not mean that all contact by a defender is illegal. If a defender has already committed himself and the contact is unavoidable, it is not a foul unless the defender makes forcible contact into the head or neck area of the runner with the helmet, shoulder, or forearm, or commits some other act that is unnecessary roughness."

How then did Wentz get the call last night?

[TheRed]

3 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

I don't think my head is in the sand.  But there are other factors besides race that could impact the equation.  Refs may see Cam as a big dude that can take a little more of a lick.  Or they see him as too cocky and needs to be taken down a peg.  Neither of which justifies the non-calls.  But neither has to do with race.

No way to know for sure.

But as long as this continues, the question will keep coming up. The NFL is directly responsible for things reaching this point.

[grimesgoat]

9 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Uhhhh, Ben tries to rape women in bathrooms dude.

Please do not ever make that comparison again.

Don't be stupid.

I was primarily comparing their size and strength.  But both have been accused of off-field moral lapses.

I'm not aware of anything Cam has done off the field that was as serious as what Ben did.  But I suspect the NFL might frown on being sullen/walking off at their post-sb presser, hitting up strip clubs, supposedly trashing a rental house in the off season, having kids out of wedlock, etc.  As far as I'm concerned, Cam can do whatever he wants, but some NFL brass may not feel he's being a good role model.  Maybe other QBs do all these things, but as a Panther fan, I don't always hear about it.

[grimesgoat]

9 minutes ago, TheRed said:

No way to know for sure.

But as long as this continues, the question will keep coming up. The NFL is directly responsible for things reaching this point.

couldn't agree more.

[Doobs0]

4 hours ago, CRA said:

I realize that many of you don't understand the rules of NFL football these days so I figure I would try to help educate you guys and gals this am.  Last night, the Eagles QB gave himself up on a play and received a flag for unnecessary roughness.  As you can see the defender pulled up and merely turned himself into a catching mitt of sorts...

Hope that clears it up.  Wentz is old enough to get that call.

It was only one ref that said that, if he wasn't refereeing that game, why would the others not throw a flag?

[TheRed]

2 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Don't be stupid.

I was primarily comparing their size and strength.  But both have been accused of off-field moral lapses.

I'm not aware of anything Cam has done off the field that was as serious as what Ben did.  But I suspect the NFL might frown on being sullen/walking off at their post-sb presser, hitting up strip clubs, supposedly trashing a rental house in the off season, having kids out of wedlock, etc.  As far as I'm concerned, Cam can do whatever he wants, but some NFL brass may not feel he's being a good role model.  Maybe other QBs do all these things, but as a Panther fan, I don't always hear about it.

You're kind of veering right off a cliff here man.

None of those things remotely compare to what happened with Ben, it's not even in the same universe. And you can bet your ass that if Ben were a black QB, things would have went verrrrry different for him long term career wise.

As far as the NFL goes, I don't give a poo what they think. This is the same league that suspended Ray Rice a measly 2 games for punching his wife unconscious, and suspends players entire seasons for marijuana. They have absolutely no moral ground to stand on.

[truthjuice]

There are lots of players, white and black, that celebrate TDs.  But with all due respect, Aaron Rogers is nothing like Cam. 

How many QBs are 6'6", 260, celebrates every first down, pretends he's superman every time he scores, wears crazy clothes to press conferences, smiles a lot - perhaps in a cocky way, doesn't do well talking to the media after a tough loss, etc.?  There is exactly 1 of these guys. If there were 2, one black and 1 white and the white guy got the calls, then you would have a valid argument, although with a painfully small sample size. 

I found this article from 2010 that talks about a certain QB that never gets a roughing the passer call, possibly because he's really big and strong or possibly due to off-field issues.  He happens to be white.  Substitute Cam for Ben and the article could be written today.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/541997-ben-roethlisberger-gets-treated-unfailry-on-and-off-the-field

Ben is like Cam in size and maybe play, but he's not like Cam. You also said we've never seen a white Cam and that's true, we haven't. Ben gets that call over Cam though. I actually hate that comparison too. Two different people. There's not a white quarterback to is Cam in terms of his celebrating, smiling, dancing, etc. But if there were, he'd be called passionate and this slump he's in would have nothing to do with him---it would be everybody else's fault.


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[Khyber53]

Wentz sold that flop like Mike Krzyzewski teaches Duke players to draw the charging call. He teaches them so well that Christian Laettner is still in mid-flop from a Clemson game in 1989... true story.

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

They need to literally clean house in regards to their refs and go full time.  That doesn't SOLVE the issues but it is a step in the right direction.  Then they addresss all the other issues that suck.

Major League Baseball umpires are full-time and union'ed.  Pretty sure NBA officials are too.

Guess what?  THEY'RE JUST AS HORRIBLE AS NFL OFFICIALS.

I repeat, "full time officials" isn't an answer or a "step in the right direction"... its an excuse.  And the fact that the NFL has it under consideration only means one thing to me... that the NFL has found an ideal excuse to cover-up for their continued lack of accountability when it comes to their horrible officiating.

[pantherphan96]

Thank you Peanut.

[GRWatcher]

I fully agree that calls are not made for Cam when they should be. I also agree with Rivera when he talks about the Shaq-effect.  I do not feel it's a result of Cam's personality or what he said about Hockuly (sp) nor a bias against a QB of color. I think it's because he's a superior athlete at his position and the refs, therefore, do not see him as they do all other QB's.

My case in point, Julius Peppers. In the 8 years he was with us he seldom got holding calls in his favor, even obvious ones, and all Panther fans knew it and screamed about it. The reason given, as I recall, was because he was "powering through", i.e. because he was a superior athlete at his position. 

I know RTP & holding calls are not anywhere equal in severity so don't go there. What I am trying to point out is that it is the superior athletes who can successfully do unexpected things that don't get the calls. As if the refs don't know how to react to them because they are outside the norm, so silence is their reaction.

[SOJA]

this got out of hand versus denver 

now it's downright mind blowing 

[iamhubby1]

4 hours ago, CRA said:

Yes, it should of been a flag.  I am not saying it wasn't.

I am merely pointing out how the NFL purposefully puts in words so they can play games.

forcible is the BS loophole they repeatedly use on Cam.  It's BS.  

 

I know you are just trying to make a point. And I get it. We are all trying to find answers as to why Cam seems to be treated differently.

 

But c'mon man. You can't possibly believe that the rule makers were able to foresee a QB like Cam when they made that rule? That they put in "Forcible" just in case refs in teh future might need the ambiguity the wording would allow? Or that they just recently put it in to protect their refs?

 

Panther fans are not the only ones that see what is happening. If the outcry can continue to build up steam? Maybe, just maybe, something will be done.

 

Or not.

 

 

 

 

3 hours ago, ladypanther said:

How then did Wentz get the call last night?

 

As @Khyber53  said. Wentz flopped like a hooked trout. He defiantly made it look worse than it was. No way was that play flag worthy.