KK's agent makes a call??

[qazsazsaz]

I don't understand why people hate it when players try to make the best financial decision for themselves.  It's obvious KK and every player wants to get paid. I don't blame them. WE would all do the same thing.

[Saca312]

 

Joe Person ‏@josephperson  3m3 minutes ago

Kawann Short says he would sign a franchise tag most most likely if that happens. Says he and Josh Norman are two different people.

 

This proves it's just agent tough talk.

 

[beastson]

After last off-season I expected KK to not be playing in 2017 for us. I still think it's true.

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[Khyber53]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Short, per a league source with knowledge of the situation, won’t be quickly signing the franchise tag, if the team applies it. Short may not sign the tag at all, which means that absent a long-term deal before July 15, Short may not play in 2017.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/02/kawann-short-wont-be-signing-the-franchise-tag-quickly-if-at-all/

Looks like someone saw what KK said and had to get on the phone and make a correction. 

No player quickly signs a tag in today's NFL.  So is Dave going to cut him too and pull the tag when his agent won't bite on Dave's first hard offer?

Let's see, he yanked the tag away from Norman when Norman dicked around for too long. He also drafted a DT in the first round last season. He also picked up Soliai and brought Kyle Love back in. KK's 2016 was nowhere near as dominant or productive as his 2015 season.

If I were KK, I'd sign the paper as soon as they put it in front of me and take a year's worth of mighty big checks to the bank. That is, if he gets the tag.

 

[Gregg S]

10 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Correct.

And oddly enough, no one has mentioned that the agent works for the player, not the other way around.

If Short wants to sign the tag, he doesn't need his agent's permission.

Only reason I hadn't mentioned it is because you did before I finished reading the thread.  Another thing that I would like to point out is that agents get paid a percentage of their clients salary.  Therefore, the more money the player gets, the more the agent gets.  They're looking out for themselves as much if not more so than they are the player they represent.

[CPantherKing]

1 hour ago, panther4life said:

I have been quick to call Gettleman out on his downfalls thus far, even when 99% of the board was worshiping him. However he did hedge his bets when he picked Butler last year, just in case this gets ugly.

Lets just Hope Butler can live up to his draft selection next year.

Look at what hedging did to the defense, and essentially the team. Hoping Butler can live up to his selection is not a sign of a good hedge.

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Considering this is Gettlemen's first rodeo as a GM....I don't buy into the "like Dave always says" defense 

stud DTs aren't suppose to rack up 12 sacks and if they don't it isn't a sign they aren't that good.  Bradberry isn't now Norman and Butler won't be KK. 

We are witnessing a system that creates a progressive decline of talent on a team. Seen this since the end of 2013. The development of the talent on the team prior to 2014 was greater than the decline. That is the reason for the SB season. The dramatic decline in the 2016 off season overtook the progress of the core players. The result is mediocrity. If 1 or 2 more of key/core players are allowed to leave to improve other teams, then the Panthers will be bottom dwellers again. The core has some top talent, but they can only hold a certain amount of weight on their shoulders to carry the growing weaknesses on this team due to the front office.

1 hour ago, Bogart said:

We don't care about some people cause some people want to pay these guys whatever they want regardless of whether they warrant it or not just because they like them.

Every team chooses to give market value to a core group of players. It is not overpaying. It is market value. The question is who gets those market value spots? Most teams commit 70% of their cap to a group of 10 to 12 players. Other teams (like the Panthers) commit 50% or less of their cap to 7/8 players. The issue with the 50% thinking is it limits a GMs room for error in selecting these core players, and makes the investment in lower tier talent even more critical. A GM is willing to pay a player like KK $13M per season, but he wants $15M minimum. So, the GM does not sign him. Instead, they pay a player like Paul Soliai $2M more than he is worth per season. Pay a player like KK that extra money and not a Paul Soliai. Some player is getting the money. Make sure it is one of the best players in the league.

 

[top dawg]

3 minutes ago, qazsazsaz said:

I don't understand why people hate it when players try to make the best financial decision for themselves.  It's obvious KK and every player wants to get paid. I don't blame them. WE would all do the same thing.

Life is about more than finances. Sometimes what appears to be the best financial decision is not that, and sometimes being shortsighted makes you miss out on the bigger picture. Gettleman was on to something when he mentioned cost of living and quality of life as a consideration. But, each man has to come to his own conclusions.

[Jon Snow]

35 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

Why is it that every other team in the league is willing to pay top money for certain players that make their team work..sure you can not pay everyone but you do have to pay someone..these players have to make money while they can ..they are not qbs that can not be touched but are subjected to hits every play.If you are at the top of your game you should get paid every profession works that way until they build up a nest egg and can afford friendly deals. These players are young and get low paying salaries at their youth and have to prove their worth KK and Josh did..they deserve to be paid. Do you think the top professions at any job are going to stay if they are low balled no very few do they go for money benefits and sometimes culture .  Its the same in the NFL just because they make good money to your standardsdoes not mean it is good money NFL standards.

And nobody is stopping them from getting all they can.  Each team has a budget and some are better at managing it than others.  Each position has a pay cap, not just the overall team, if you want to have as much talent as you can.  You overpay for one player you have to settle for cheap fill ins at two or three other places.   It's up to the GM to decide who's going to be top paid and so far it's QB and MLB.  I'm sure he will pay good money for DT help if it is within the budget cause you need more than one and the Panthers use four.  So how many are you going to pay top dollar for?

[Steve_Smith_Sr.]

I remember hearing that we didn't like to develop talent for other teams.  That's exactly what we did with Josh.  I'm all for being financially responsible, but some players do need to be paid - IF - they show that they are worth it.

Was Josh worth what the skins paid him?  Maybe, maybe not.  We'll know in a few more seasons.  It was a risk what the skins did.  Risk is part of the game.

My takeaway is that you have to roll the dice sometimes if you have a good feeling about them.  I don't think DG sees it that way.  Its as if he wants guarantees, which is never going to happen in pro sports.  He also doesn't seem willing to go after proven talent with trades, as they're too pricey too.  So, we draft guys and try to get the best out of them until its time to pay them, then we tell them to bounce.

This is how you keep a franchise in the shitter.

I don't know what to think about KK and I'm glad it's not my job to ink the contracts, but high caliber teams pay their players.  We treat our players like we're negotiating with a used car salesman.

[Nails]

6 minutes ago, Steve_Smith_Sr. said:

I remember hearing that we didn't like to develop talent for other teams.  That's exactly what we did with Josh.  I'm all for being financially responsible, but some players do need to be paid - IF - they show that they are worth it.

Was Josh worth what the skins paid him?  Maybe, maybe not.  We'll know in a few more seasons.  It was a risk what the skins did.  Risk is part of the game.

My takeaway is that you have to roll the dice sometimes if you have a good feeling about them.  I don't think DG sees it that way.  Its as if he wants guarantees, which is never going to happen in pro sports.  He also doesn't seem willing to go after proven talent with trades, as they're too pricey too.  So, we draft guys and try to get the best out of them until its time to pay them, then we tell them to bounce.

This is how you keep a franchise in the shitter.

I don't know what to think about KK and I'm glad it's not my job to ink the contracts, but high caliber teams pay their players.  We treat our players like we're negotiating with a used car salesman.

Big money business with big money people making big money decisions, but if the Patriots, cheating aside, are the standard, then no team has been more cold blooded.

Cam and Luke are the only sure things here.

[Ship]

31 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

Why is it that every other team in the league is willing to pay top money for certain players that make their team work..sure you can not pay everyone but you do have to pay someone..these players have to make money while they can ..they are not qbs that can not be touched but are subjected to hits every play.If you are at the top of your game you should get paid every profession works that way until they build up a nest egg and can afford friendly deals. These players are young and get low paying salaries at their youth and have to prove their worth KK and Josh did..they deserve to be paid. Do you think the top professions at any job are going to stay if they are low balled no very few do they go for money benefits and sometimes culture .  Its the same in the NFL just because they make good money to your standardsdoes not mean it is good money NFL standards.

I understand your point about players getting paid well for their work, especially talented ones like Josh and KK. And I understand a player's interest being magnified by the nature of a career in the NFL. However, we aren't just talking about getting paid well, we're talking about two guys who literally want(ed) to be paid more than any other player at their position.

We offered josh a quality deal in the top range of players at his position. We are offering the same for KK. I think both of those deals show plenty of respect for very talented young players. When Josh says he won't settle for anything less than the top money, period. I lose my respect for him. Because at this point the team is willing to give you the deal that would keep you and your family in good shape and they are placing you within the top 10 - top 5 highest paid at your position. Now you're strictly on an ego trip-- you want to most. Add in the fact that the title of highest paid literally changes every season, even more than once in a single offseason, and that ego based desire is just idiotic. I have no sympathy for it. It literally means nothing for more than the press release at the time the contract was made. And look at all the mess that causes.

Plenty of guys are happy being paid like a top 5 or even top 3 DT or CB. There's nothing in their personal lives that make KK or Josh more deserving than those other players. At the point we're negotiating at, there is not much of a financial difference. 

By taking a top 5 deal you get yours, your give your teammates a chance to get paid, and you help your team add more talent, and hopefully become more successful. It just makes so much sense if you assume the player cares about winning and culture and their friends. Yet, plenty of people care more about money than anything. Which really sucks and I think should be actively worked against, so because of how I feel about it (it being negotiations with players who want to be paid more than any of their peers), I support the Gettleman side of the argument on this more than the player.

[Steve_Smith_Sr.]

1 minute ago, Nails said:

Big money business with big money people making big money decisions, but if the Patriots, cheating aside, are the standard, then no team has been more cold blooded.

Cam and Luke are the only sure things here.

Cam and Luke aren't enough.  That's all I'm saying.

The Pats get away with it bec all the All-Pro's who haven't gotten a ring yet know they have a good shot of getting one with them.  The Pats are the exception to the rule, I don't know of any other teams that get away with it.

[qazsazsaz]

5 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Life is about more than finances. Sometimes what appears to be the best financial decision is not that, and sometimes being shortsighted makes you miss out on the bigger picture. Gettleman was on to something when he mentioned cost of living and quality of life as a consideration. But, each man has to come to his own conclusions.

Yea, quality of life and cost of living are a lot easier to deal with when you have money.  Especially important when you play a game where one bad break can ruin your career.  Let's be honest, unless you're MJ or something, after this game you are left alone to deal with your own problems. 

 

[RoaringRiot]

29 minutes ago, qazsazsaz said:

I don't understand why people hate it when players try to make the best financial decision for themselves.  It's obvious KK and every player wants to get paid. I don't blame them. WE would all do the same thing.

No one gets mad at the players for going to get their money - just like they shouldn't get mad at a GM for not overspending