Mike n Mike talk team building

[AceBoogie]

13 minutes ago, Ivan The Awesome said:

Gettleman got here in 2013. Having to get to work on the cap hell that strapped the panthers for years. He cleared it up. Getting KB, Funch, Trai, Ginn, Norwell, Remmers, Oher on a budget was all he could do. What do you expect with little to no money? The little wealth that was available can only be spread out so much. He's got money now. let's sit back and see what he does. If he doesn't do anything this off season to help Cam, then I'll definitely grab a pitch fork and march with ya'll. 

But Ron has been with him the whole time, so has JR, Beane, and most of the scouting department. It aint just a Gettleman issue, its an organizational issue. A lot more goes into what players are selected and drafted than just what Gettleman says.

[frash.exe]

hmmm who could be right? the reigning executive of the year or two sports radio hams who take calls from michael procton clones?

[AceBoogie]

1 minute ago, Darvinsun said:

You can not compare the 2..  luke has help what does Newton have.. just say that luke is good and leave it because really you can not compate the 2 they are playing 2 different positions on the other side of the ball.

Cam aint playing behind Star and KK with TD beside him with two first rounders "rotating in"

[csx]

7 minutes ago, Kakarot said:

They weren't discussing how to build around a superstar LB, though. They were discussing building around a superstars QB. What does the last sentence have to do with anything?

I overlooked the qb and thought it just said superstar. I should have left off the last part but Mike not Mike are Luke the two old dudes on the Muppets.  They show up in the morning and say the most obvious. 

This isn't a leading question but when was the last championship team with a superstar qb who was given a ton of weapons? I'm pretty sure they have won due to defense recently.....and veteran qb play. But open to be corrected if I am overlooking something again.

 

[Jangler]

7 minutes ago, shaqattaq said:

Agreed, this is a big off season for G-man IMO. If he doesn't help Cam out, I'm really going to start regretting that "In Dave We Trust" tramp stamp I got last year.

[Ship]

A lot of offensive talent doesn't require a 1st round pick. The only group on offense we should be using a 1st on is O-line.

a good modern NFL offense no longer requires a star WR or even a star RB. It's requires an O-line. With NFL secondaries being generally hemmed in, the biggest competition is between the lines on any given play. WRs who are smart and able to run good routes will always break free eventually. They just need time.

we don't seem to have good priorities at WR. Benjamin and Funch were used to address the idea that Cam throws high with the idea that Cam only throws so high. We have now seen that Cam will throw a pass even higher to a tall WR. The issue is now proven to be Cam's mechanics. We need a new QB coach to fix this.

we need smart, quick, good route runners with reliable hands. I fully believe we could stock this team with 3-4 Philly Browns and we would be successful.

benjamin isn't a good enough route runner and though Funch is considered smart, he doesn't seem to have as varied of a route tree as I'd expect. Philly is the best at this.

The fact is, there haven't been any first round O-line for us to draft. This year will be the first year there are even good enough OTs to consider at our spot. Our other chance would have been DJ Humphries. That's the best guy to realistically be close to our pick. And look at him. No thanks.

i agree we need to invest in offense but I just don't realistically see where we could have in the first round. There are plenty of guys I'd have liked in rounds 2-5. We could have keenan Allen, Stefon diggs, Jamison crowder, and Jordan Howard. All for less than even a 2nd rounder. That is ridiculous.

we just obviously aren't scouting offense correctly. These are gems that I don't even think were that hard to spot.

[panther4life]

There is no exact formula for being a super bowl contender year in and year out. 

However with the right head coach/ QB combo you can make the playoffs consistently.

Look at the Patriots, Packers and Steelers and Seahawks currently.

Other recent examples include The colts with Peyton/Dungy or the eagles with Mcnabb/Reid 

 

[pantherclaw]

It's so easy for anyone to sit there and say all you should build around your Superstar now not around multiple seasons. If it was that easy every team in the NFL would be consistently competitive, and that's obviously not the case.

Thanks to the salary cap it is impossible to build a superstar team overnight, and even keep it together as your building the team,

[AceBoogie]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

Well, Gettleman wasn't here for his first two years and Steve Smith was here for his third. Gettleman drafted Benjamin for his 4th year and he had over 1000 yards and Funchess in his 5th year, but unfortunately Benjamin tore his ACL for 2015.

See my previous post 

[AceBoogie]

46 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

It's so easy for anyone to sit there and say all you should build around your Superstar now not around multiple seasons. If it was that easy every team in the NFL would be consistently competitive, and that's obviously not the case.

Thanks to the salary cap it is impossible to build a superstar team overnight, and even keep it together as your building the team,

Every team in the NFL doesn't have a cam newton. Can make the case no team ever has

[TheRed]

Oh look, another thread where people line up to suck Gettleman's dick no matter how many people say maybe we could have done a better job building on the OL.

Byron Bell, Nate Chandler, Sione Fua, Mike Remmers, the legend himself Edmund Kugbila. World beaters.

You draft two WR's early, but then say "we're good" in relation to the offensive line even though the entire country just witnessed your OL get obliterated in spectacular fashion in the biggest game in the history of your franchise. Only to allow it to happen again by the same team in your season opener.

This isn't f*cking rocket science.

[Ivan The Awesome]

1 hour ago, AceBoogie said:

But Ron has been with him the whole time, so has JR, Beane, and most of the scouting department. It aint just a Gettleman issue, its an organizational issue. A lot more goes into what players are selected and drafted than just what Gettleman says.

Ron and Hurney...Beane was never a true deciding factor. In essence you lost a year but even then they did go out and get Olsen and Shockey, Coupled with Smith with DeAngelo and Stewart. You couldn't ask for more to be honest. 

 

Hurney was fired little after that and Getts got in. The defense had to be revamped as well. This team was a poo storm the way Hurney and Fox left them. Like I said, way too many needs and little wealth to go around. This year, it's different. If nothing is done to help Cam out, I'll gladly pick up that pitch fork. 

 

If you look at it now. The holes are fewer, you have the draft and free agency WITH some cash to spend this time around. The core of the team is mostly locked down. Things look to be pretty straight forward from here on out. 

[pantherphan96]

Hard to build around your franchise QB when you are in cap hell.

[TheRed]

4 minutes ago, pantherphan96 said:

Hard to build around your franchise QB when you are in cap hell.

Cap hell had nothing to do with us drafting Edmund Kugbila when right after that pick the Packers drafted a 2nd team All Pro to protect Aaron Rodgers.

We aren't in cap hell. We weren't in cap hell last year either. That's a cop out.

Rivera shares as much blame too, he is overly loyal to mediocre players.