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If ATL goes to the SB, I Wouldn't Mind It


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Why?

Lets see, because it doesn't feel like this organization has learned anything after losing the SB, followed by not only missing the playoffs the next season, but going under .500 (last time that happened was 2007 Bears. 2007). Mike Shula is still the offensive coordinator. Graham Gano still hasn't been cut (they're going to run with the injury excuse), and honestly there's a little bit of doubt that our draft and FA isn't going to go the way we would like it to, even if the chance is there

Atlanta forces changes. If they just get there, we will no longer be the big dogs of the NFCS. We ran it three years straight and they got tired of that poo. They will be the favorites, the most confident, they will have the throne. Patience will be cut in half to win and to win now. If they dont, Gettleman will continue folding his arms with the Cam is only 28 attitude and the players and coaches will still feel they run the division 

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this train of thought operates under the assumption that the coaching staff and FO actually care about divisional rivalries like the fans do.  there are almost undoubtedly panthers coaches and personnel who have friends on the falcons coaching staff and in the front office.  most likely they're just another team whom we just happen to play twice a year.

if you're going to pray for something shitty to happen so people get fired you're probably best off just hoping for the panthers to lose a lot because that's much more tangible.

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24 minutes ago, cookinwithgas said:

Although I disagree with the sentiments here, it's a fact that Thomas Davis is here because we needed him to spy on Mike Vick after he kept kicking our collective asses.

Win your division first, you're at least top 4 seed and a home playoff game. 6 games out of 16 is against your division. We were 1-5 against our division. ATL went defensive HC and built up that defense cause they know they had to face Cam Newton twice a year, Brees twice a year, and eventually Winston twice a year.

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1 minute ago, Wolfcop said:

Panthers fans that do not absolutely despise ATL surprise me. Again, could you imagine Bears fans pulling for GB or Redskins fans pulling for Dallas? 

I think it's some sort of tribalism spilling over from SEC guys used to rooting for their own conferences. 

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