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Why I Have Fallen Out of Love with Fournette at 8...

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1 hour ago, top dawg said:

"This guy can run inside, he can run outside, he runs with power, he can catch the ball and make plays after the catch," Casserly said.

He's not talking about Cook or McCaffrey, he's talking about Fournette.

2011: "I wouldn't take (Cam Newton) in the first round," said (Charlie) Casserly.

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1 hour ago, Peppers90 NC said:

If we want to "evolve" and want a versatile back at 8, Cook has the talent and potential to help us. Not that I really want either, I think we are going to get a great player there any way we slice it. I wish we could trade back it just feels like this is one of the best drafts in a long time.

Yeah, although admittedly I've never been a big fan of Cook, I wouldn't mind him if we traded back in terms of on-field talent, but I doubt he is even on our board due to character concerns. 

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39 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

2011: "I wouldn't take (Cam Newton) in the first round," said (Charlie) Casserly.

That's a different debate. Plenty of GMs wouldn't have taken Newton in the first round. Some would probably tell you that they still wouldn't, knowing what they do now.

Agree with it or not, Fournette is a more sure first round pick than Cam was. But, that aside, this thread is about Fournette and his value to our team---relative to this draft, and relative to the other RBs.

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Fournette, 4.51 (240 lbs), Adams, 4.56 (215 lbs) -- that is impressive none the less I'm not big on 40's as an indicator of on the field production (Norman ran a 4.66). 

However when I think about the ability to get outside, and run inside effectively, extend plays and get the tough yards behind what can be an avg to below avg run blocking line at times; selecting Fournette is a ''no-brainer'' if he's there at #8. 

I think the DE's / S's are set in regards to the top 3 Addison, Johnson, Peppers / Coleman, Adams, Boston. I think we see a Day 2 DE & S. I think we then turn the focus back to the offense by looking at TE, WR, T.

Based off of our free agency moves, two of our major current / future needs saw very little attention -- HB/TE. In my opinion these are the target positions early in this draft. Gettleman has said on a few occassions he'd rather have a dime instead of two nickels, or ten pennies. So we're not trading back, if anything we've been set up to trade back into the first after getting ''our guy'' at #8. 

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3 hours ago, nctarheel0619 said:

I respect you as a poster, but if I have to hear about McCaffrey being a better value back over Leonard Fournette again, I'm gonna go nuts (Jeremy wrote a shitty article today saying the same stupid s h i t).  Leonard Fournette is the best RB prospect in years.  If he falls to 8, we need to take him, if not him Adams.  That's the only two at that point.   

Easy there snowflake don't have a meltdown. Any other year Fournette would not even be a top 10 player. Guys like McCaffrey are more valuable because they can do more than run down hill. A guy like OJ Howard is better because he fills a need more than a dying position like RB. Add on top of all that this year is super deep in RB and value can be found later. The days of backs like AP are over and Fournette is exactly that player mold.

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3 hours ago, nctarheel0619 said:

I respect you as a poster, but if I have to hear about McCaffrey being a better value back over Leonard Fournette again, I'm gonna go nuts (Jeremy wrote a shitty article today saying the same stupid s h i t).  Leonard Fournette is the best RB prospect in years.  If he falls to 8, we need to take him, if not him Adams.  That's the only two at that point.   

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10 minutes ago, Snake said:

Easy there snowflake don't have a meltdown. Any other year Fournette would not even be a top 10 player. Guys like McCaffrey are more valuable because they can do more than run down hill. A guy like OJ Howard is better because he fills a need more than a dying position like RB. Add on top of all that this year is super deep in RB and value can be found later. The days of backs like AP are over and Fournette is exactly that player mold.

While I agree with most of what you're saying here, there are still those outliers that appear to be dinosaurs in the face of evolving philosophies and changes that make you go, "but, if had one of those!"  Lol.  To be fair though, that's why I'm off the Fournette train though, because despite his physical stature and skill, I do NOT think he is one of thosr magical dinosaurs that make being stuck in Shula's dated offensive philosophy worth it.  He is NOT AP.  He is not as explosive.  I think he'll be solid and dependable for several years with some impressive highlights, but will not have the impact AP did coming in.

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Everything is a pendulum in the NFL. Everyone is trying to adapt to what everyone else is doing. It's a far more reactive environment than it is proactive. IMO, with the success of passing attacks and the evolution of defenses to defend the pass, we'll see a return to power running schemes soon simply because they're likely to be very successful vs. defenses that aren't built to defend against them.

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18 minutes ago, Snake said:

Easy there snowflake don't have a meltdown. Any other year Fournette would not even be a top 10 player. Guys like McCaffrey are more valuable because they can do more than run down hill. A guy like OJ Howard is better because he fills a need more than a dying position like RB. Add on top of all that this year is super deep in RB and value can be found later. The days of backs like AP are over and Fournette is exactly that player mold.

And yet 13 out of 20 teams polled said that they prefer Fournette to Cook. Strange...

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