Has Newton been David Carr'd?

[*FreeFua*]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Some have also pointed to the fact that when he scored this week, he didn't give the football away. Granted, that could be situational, but I can't recall the last time that happened.

I took his post touchdown actions as more of a "we're getting our asses beat, let's f'n go" type yell than anything else 

He didn't want to be picked up, he wanted to get to the sideline after and get on with the game. 

It was more of a serious Cam than fun Cam. He was having a rough day at the office and was frustrated. 

Thats how I interpreted it at least 

[Snake]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I know more than one person has said he doesn't look like he's having fun anymore, except maybe right before games begin.

Some have also pointed to the fact that when he scored this week, he didn't give the football away. Granted, that could be situational, but I can't recall the last time that happened.

It's clear he's not happy. I think we all want to know the cause though. Is it lack of faith in the OC, just tired of the game, the oline, or something else? What ever the reason he is definitely not there mentally because he played better after a car wreck. 

[Jon Snow]

3 minutes ago, outlaw4 said:

Only if he starts wearing gloves all the time:

The closer comparison is Jake Delhomme post Tommy John. A gunslinger QB who loses his arm will not be the same. Different injury here but the effects are similar.

I couldn't help but draw some parallels to Jake and Cam when Jake was brought up in another thread recently.  Their careers with this team are erily similar so far.  Let's just hope Cam doesn't have the same ending.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, *FreeFua* said:

I took his post touchdown actions as more of a "we're getting our asses beat, let's f'n go" type yell than anything else 

He didn't want to be picked up, he wanted to get to the sideline after and get on with the game. 

It was more of a serious Cam than fun Cam. He was having a rough day at the office and was frustrated. 

Thats how I interpreted it at least 

I can agree with that.

But even there, that can be taken as an indication that he's "not himself".

[Darvinsun]

4 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Possibly, he sure doesn't look like an MVP out there.  He's taken a beating for his style of play.  He got by on talent and determination until now but it seems the beatings and life outside of football has taken away both. 

He's trying too hard to make a play even though he's not at 100% and the staff doesn't seem to care.  The league has past judgement on him to allow the beatings to continue until his attitude improves, it's not fun for him anymore.

What you see is a man broken both physically and mentally.

Amen..football uhh Somebody needs to ask him does he still love to play the game...i am not seeing it...Which is why I watch football now..my interest has dwindle from not missing a game to maybe watching a series if its not panther ball...Its no fun for me either.

[PantherBrew]

To me, this is a question that can be only be answered at the end of next season.  

[*FreeFua*]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I can agree with that.

But even there, that can be taken as an indication that he's "not himself".

I know in Atlanta last year after Cam hit KB for a TD to make it something like 34-16 he showed absolutely zero emotion. He just got ready to go for 2 and that was it.

There hasn't been many times where the game has been out of hand where we've scored a late touchdown to get a good enough sense as to how Cam usually reacts in these situations. At least not in the last 2 seasons.

Thats why it's important we jump out to an early lead and Cam can get comfortable and find a rhythm, because when he does it's usually game over. It's when we start slow and Cam starts taking hits and we're losing that things start heading south fast

[Cary Kollins]

No.

With the lack of preseason practice, injuries to Cam and injuries to Olsen and Kalil, it's too early to compare Cam to Carr.

If Cam plays this way when he's healthy, then that's a problem.

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I couldn't help but draw some parallels to Jake and Cam when Jake was brought up in another thread recently.  Their careers with this team are erily similar so far.  Let's just hope Cam doesn't have the same ending.

Jake would have continued throwing to his arm fell off if they'd let him. And Newton is likely the same way.

But one thing, Jake believed in his coaches.

If you don't have faith in your boss, and that boss is continuously telling you to go out and do something you may not physically be capable of doing, what happens in your mind?

[Cary Kollins]

Jake also had a top five WR in Steve Smith. Cam doesn't have anything close to a Steve Smith to bail him out on prayer balls.

[uncfan888]

Who knows. But we're ruining cam and a lot of our fanbase thinks it's all his fault which is absurd to me

[beastson]

If Cam wasn't leading the team down the field then yeah

I do believe there's a little bit of an overreaction here. One thing I agree with Ron on, is if the team score on that initial drive it brings confidence. We can't keep settling for field goals. Points wise, momentum wise, confidence wise... It's a problem of Shula going back to TB days.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Cary Kollins said:

No.

With the lack of preseason practice, injuries to Cam and injuries to Olsen and Kalil, it's too early to compare Cam to Carr.

If Cam plays this way when he's healthy, then that's a problem.

People started asking this question last season though.

It's not limited to just this year.

[grimesgoat]

18 minutes ago, brandon_87 said:

You have to assume so. He sees ghosts in the pocket now and that effects his reads and his inner clock. He's damaged, and nobody to blame but DG and RR for not addressing the OLINE sooner

 

16 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

I still believe if given even just below average protection Cam can still be that MVP QB. Cam's shoulder also needs to be healthy and with the hits he's taking on Sundays (thanks Kalil) it's obvious he won't be 100% until next season.

We really should address this issue.  Since Cam entered the league, he has been hit on 1 out of 7.4 pass attempts.  The league average is 1 out of 6.8 pass attempts.  He is not getting hit more than other QBs on average.  If anything, his protection has been a little better than average.

Where Cam has suffered is with the hits he takes running.  He ran a lot up until now.  I believe the hits he took as a "running back", especially the head shots, are causing the additional damage.  It was that dual threat ability that made him special.  As a pocket passer - he's average at best.