What in the Hell is Wrong With Our Secondary?

[PantherNation123]

3 hours ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

When has triple dipping at one position ever worked in draft? quite simply the dumbest move by dg in his tenure 

Uh, double dipping worked extremely well with our starting DT's.  Sometimes players either don't pan out, or take longer than we would like (Josh Norman is a prime example of that)

[PantherNation123]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I disagree. I think Seymour is both better and has more upside. 

I agree with you on most things, but not here.  Seymour and Worley as far as production has gone are about equal.  Really how I view Worley is similar to when Josh Norman was young and undisciplined.  Not saying Worley will turn into Norman or even close for that matter.  But I do think his upside is pretty high once he gets more disciplined.  Sometimes players (like Norman), just take a couple of years+ to figure it out

[beastson]

Just now, PantherNation123 said:

I agree with you on most things, but not here.  Seymour and Worley as far as production has gone are about equal.  Really how I view Worley is similar to when Josh Norman was young and undisciplined.  Not saying Worley will turn into Norman or even close for that matter.  But I do think his upside is pretty high once he gets more disciplined.  Sometimes players (like Norman), just take a couple of years+ to figure it out

Worley is not a NFL corner. He can't stay with his man consistently. Panthers need to move him at strong safety where he can come down for run support. Or cover a certain area

[Panthers8969]

4 hours ago, *FreeFua* said:

I debated it

and the pros for this were...?

[Panthers8969]

40 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

Norman took a third of the field away and let TD, Luke, and Harper to roam the underneath without having to worry about Norman's area. Coleman was set at FS playing deep center field while favoring the side of the field away from Norman. Coleman rarely was seen in underneath coverage. There was a very tight window to hit on the opposite sideline from Norman, and it was the only area for the QB to attack (even Brees). Coleman just had to wait for the overthrow in 2015.

Now, the Panthers do not have a CB that can even command the sideline outside the hashes. The result is the safeties and LBs have to cover more of the field compared to 2015.

ok and how does that explain the drop off from 16? no norman then either

[iamhubby1]

2 hours ago, thomas96 said:

Either while down 12 in the 4th quarter or right after we got the defensive TD the next possession he drew up two straight run plays that both went for -1. Can't remember if that was the drive that they wound up punting on that we returned for the TD or the next one where McCown scrambled for a long first down after but regardless those were terrible playcalls. All the Jets fans around me at the game were whining about Morton just like we do about Shula around here. 

 

    Almost every fan base harps on their OC. That is just a fan thing. For some reason, fans think it is the easiest job in the NFL.

[Panthers8969]

Just now, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Almost every fan base harps on their OC. That is just a fan thing. For some reason, fans think it is the easiest job in the NFL.

right after GM

[Peppers90 NC]

3 hours ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

Coleman is not talked about nearly enough he use to be a interception machine. What happened to him? I hardly see him anymore. 

This season 

One PBU, no Int, no Sacks, 29 tackles, 16 assists, no FF

2016

7 PBU, 4 ints, 1 sack, 66 tackles, 29 assists, 1 FF

2015

9 PBU, 7 Ints, 1 sack, 55 tackles, 35 assists, no FF

Most of his ints in 15 were thrown right to him or tipped to him. I felt that it wasn’t anything more than just being in the right spot, which does count for something. But rarely has any of his plays been a spectacular jump or read. He has been beat quite a few times this year. I wonder if Byrd would be more effective, when he was healthy he was a big time playmaker. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, PantherNation123 said:

I agree with you on most things, but not here.  Seymour and Worley as far as production has gone are about equal.  Really how I view Worley is similar to when Josh Norman was young and undisciplined.  Not saying Worley will turn into Norman or even close for that matter.  But I do think his upside is pretty high once he gets more disciplined.  Sometimes players (like Norman), just take a couple of years+ to figure it out

The difference between Norman and Worley is that Norman always had tremendous instincts and ball skills, he just had to learn to play within a scheme. I don't see any of those things from Worley. 

[Hoenheim]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

The difference between Norman and Worley is that Norman always had tremendous instincts and ball skills, he just had to learn to play within a scheme. I don't see any of those things from Worley. 

I see a whole lot of Pass interferances and getting burned with his head not turned around, and being generally out of position and in the wrong place at the wrong time, all the time. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

I see a whole lot of Pass interferances and getting burned with his head not turned around, and being generally out of position and in the wrong place at the wrong time, all the time. 

Yes. Basically, in short, he just plain sucks. 

[MasterAwesome]

5 hours ago, Saca312 said:

The Air Raid happened. 

John Morton played a beautiful game. Punched us with the right playcalls to counter our aggressive blitzing and hit us at our weaknesses.

Knew it was a mismatch from the start despite the lack of talent the Jets possess. They have an OC who can get it done.

 

The guy who called three straight pass plays from the 1 yard line? Much of their success consisted of him picking on your boy Worley. Otherwise:

First TD: Just a brilliant throw and catch into tight double coverage.

Second TD: broken improvised play by McCown/Anderson on a play that was going nowhere.

Third TD: late in the 4th against our patented soft prevent D.

Ironically the only play that stood out as good playcalling to take advantage of our aggressiveness was the play-action dropped TD on their first drive. Which hey, is a + in the column of “Good playcalling doesn’t mean poo if you don’t have the talent to execute it”.

[Rags]

@Hurney 

Draft Minkah Fitzpatrick or Josh Jackson

OT and WRs are gonna be poo after the top 15 and Nick Chubb is gonna be long gone

We need a playmaker in the secondary, not just guys who do their job.

[GoobyPls]

They suck, go watch the tape of the previous games we have gotten extremely lucky. Winston and Cutler missed a ton of wide open receivers down field, Matt Ryan the same and that’s with the Julio drop. Tyrod under threw a open Zay Jones that would have won them the game. If ASJ can cactch that’s two easy TD 

 

So many lucky breaks