Hurney vs DG

[CRA]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Does Gettleman give Delhomme a huge contract after that 2008 meltdown?

And Hurney didn't accomplish a damn thing with Cam Newton.

Dave parts with Jake after AZ.   Dave also cuts Thomas Davis years ago.  Dave does a lot different. 

The Newton thing is hard though.  I mean he drafted the kid and we put the world on his shoulders to start the growing process.  I mean accomplishing something then really wasn't about winning it all then....it was about starting to build Newton into a MVP caliber QB.  Which he became. 

I mean frankly, the type GM we really need is a hybrid of Gettlemen and Hurney.   Both have strengths and weaknesses.  Both also are kinda polar opposite in what those are. 

[heel31ok]

hoping for a different comparison...

[Fox007]

19 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

hoping for a different comparison...

Yea we can def agree on that one...I certainly hope no retard is actually hoping Hurney makes even 1 draft pick for us this coming April.

[carpanfan96]

19 minutes ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

I'll just post a few lines from the article linked in your response:

"It was a good draft. And actually Jack Bushofsky was in charge of that draft. I love Jack, and I can talk about it - but that really was Jack's draft,"

-Marty Hurney

There is nothing during following ten years of overseeing Carolina's draft selections that would indicate Marty was lying when he gave Jack Bushofsky full credit for the players selected in 2001.  2001 is regarded by many as the Panthers high water mark when it comes to number of impact players selected in a single draft.

Also from your posted article:

"... head coach George Seifert still had the final say in all personnel matters..."

So, Marty is quoted saying Bushofsky should get full credit and George Seifert is recognized as still having the final say in all personnel matters for the 2001 draft. 

Thanks for helping make my point.

First that's how Marty roles and Jack was DPP for the 2002 draft before he retired and Tony Softli took over the drafts. Softli was over the drafts from 2003-2005 before he joined the Rams. 

 Second, Seifert did nothing during that draft really and the article even points out that Hurney and Jack ran and directed that draft together 100%. 

Just like Beane was happy to give Gettleman credit for the drafts even though he was scouting, doing the big boards and running the drafts and draft trades for the team the last three drafts. 

 

[carpanfan96]

2 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

Yea we can def agree on that one...I certainly hope no retard is actually hoping Hurney makes even 1 draft pick for us this coming April.

The very first one in the first round, sure I'd want Hurney making it. Only a dummy wouldn't want him making at least the first pick with his record. 

 

Well as long as he actually picks and doesn't trade it... 

[Fox007]

1 minute ago, carpanfan96 said:

The very first one in the first round, sure I'd want Hurney making it. Only a dummy wouldn't want him making at least the first pick with his record. 

 

Well as long as he actually picks and doesn't trade it... 

Nope,

If he's making the first pick he's making the 2nd. Don't want him involved at all.

[carpanfan96]

2 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

Nope,

If he's making the first pick he's making the 2nd. Don't want him involved at all.

He could make the first pick and then be called away on some sort of emergency situation that can't be missed like Gettleman few years ago. 

[Fox007]

Just now, carpanfan96 said:

He could make the first pick and then be called away on some sort of emergency situation that can't be missed like Gettleman few years ago. 

LOL....prank call him for an emergency....the rest of the staff is like "yes"

[Jon Snow]

8 hours ago, WarHeel said:

One will pick at the top of each round of the draft. The other at the bottom. You can’t objectively compare these things.

Why not?  That's how you've been comparing Dave's picks to Hurneys.  Hurney was constantly picking near the top of every round while Dave had one relatively high draft.   You're comparing 11 drafts to 4.  The results are not even close.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

Just now, Jon Snow said:

Why not?  That's how you've been comparing Dave's picks to Hurneys.  Hurney was constantly picking near the top of every round while Dave had one relatively high draft.   You're comparing 11 drafts to 4.  The results are not even close.

This^^^.  The double standards/hypocrisy being used here to elevate Hurney to the status of a competent GM would be laughable if it weren't so sad.  3 winning seasons out of 10 and still there are people willing to support Hurney's continued employment.

Apparently having Hurney as GM is more important than the Panthers winning games.

#Unbelieveable

[WarHeel]

28 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Why not?  That's how you've been comparing Dave's picks to Hurneys.  Hurney was constantly picking near the top of every round while Dave had one relatively high draft.   You're comparing 11 drafts to 4.  The results are not even close.

Research and analysis is a huge part of what i do. The last part of your statement comparing 11 drafts to 4 is a big part of the problem with comparing the two. That and how people subjectively judge players. You would need objective data across every category of every position to really even scratch the surface of “which is the better drafter” let alone, “which is the better GM.”

[Pantha-kun]

Gettleman should have  a much better draft based on the Giants picking so high this year , but then again he could pick all busts for all we know. 

Its always pretty difficult to evauluate drafts without waiting at least 5 years. 

Sometimes how you evaluate a draft is very different too. You could draft pretty badly in a year but hit a home run that validates the entire draft (Ex. Hurney getting Cam and a bunch of nobodies elsewise). 

Gettleman might end up drafting a bunch of scrubs with his picks this year, but if Rosen, Darnold, or Barkley ends up being historically great then it dont matter so much who the other picks are . 

[Pantha-kun]

 I were the Giants I'd get get Lamar Jackson in the 1st , Bryce love in the 2nd , and in a classic gettleman move, do a double dip at RB and get Nick Chubb in the 3rd . Power and speed backs with a dynamic dual threat heismann winning QB. 

They could really use some oline help but its hard to justify spending the #2 pick on a OT . I think 2 is too high for Saquon Barkley as well, he didn't wow me much at all this year.  Giants already have most of the pieces on defense..

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, carpanfan96 said:

First that's how Marty roles and Jack was DPP for the 2002 draft before he retired and Tony Softli took over the drafts. Softli was over the drafts from 2003-2005 before he joined the Rams. 

 Second, Seifert did nothing during that draft really and the article even points out that Hurney and Jack ran and directed that draft together 100%. 

Just like Beane was happy to give Gettleman credit for the drafts even though he was scouting, doing the big boards and running the drafts and draft trades for the team the last three drafts. 

 

So using this method, Don Gregory gets credit for draft picks. Likewise, Gettleman gets credit for free agent signings in New York since he was the director of pro personnel. Hurney's free agent signings would be credited to Mark Koncz, of course.

Do we really wanna go this route?

If you don't have final say, you can't take credit.