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Jacob Manly‏ @JAKE_OB 3h3 hours ago

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Rivera: "Offense must evolve" 2016 Off YPG: 19th 2017 Off YPG: 19th Cam Newton 2017: 80.7 psr rate - 2nd worst of career (75.8 - 2016) 16 INTs - 2nd worst of career (17 - 2011) 3,302 yds - 2nd worst of career (3,127 - 2014) 6.7 yd/avg - Career worst 206.4 yds/G - Career worst

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 Bill Voth‏ @PanthersBill 3h3 hours ago

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Ouch.

Looking back, I can't help feeling like we stopped "evolving" after the first few games and just went back to the same old things we'd been doing, which led to the same result (i.e. needing Newton to bail us out at the end of games in order to win).

How much "evolution" did you see?

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5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So in about a million years or so we'll have a competent offense?

I don't think Shula can change for the better, and he showed no evidence of it this year. But as far as criticizing him for not having an offensive evolution in one year, while the QB missed a ton of camp and relying on a rookie as a key piece, is fairly ridiculous. 

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Just now, thomas96 said:

I don't think Shula can change for the better, and he showed no evidence of it this year. But as far as criticizing him for not having an offensive evolution in one year, while the QB missed a ton of camp and relying on a rookie as a key piece, is fairly ridiculous. 

Still had three months of a healthy Newton to work with.

And even that doesn't explain why we're running what Riddick called "training camp day one" pass routes.

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1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

And even that doesn't explain why we're running what Riddick called "training camp day one" pass routes.

But this has nothing to do with "evolution." This is play design. You're arguing micro while evolution is macro. I've never once tried to praise Shula for anything on the micro level. Because it's flat out horsesh*t. And I don't think his strategy on the macro level is anything amazing, earth-shattering, or to write home about. Simply average probably. And when you're a play caller being terrible on the micro level, no matter how great the overall strategy, doesn't cut it. I'm 100% for getting rid of Shula. But to try to criticize him for lack of "evolution" within 1 season is unfair.

 

And as far as the routes against the Falcons go... I'm not so sure that wasn't intentional in order to not show our hand before the playoffs... I really hope that it wasn't, because it's dumber to not gameplan for a huge game for that could be (and wound up being) for the division or even the 2 seed. But I don't put it past Ron to go into week 17 trying to not put what they're doing on film. Stupid, but Ron does a lot of stupid things like that.

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But this has nothing to do with "evolution." This is play design. You're arguing micro while evolution is macro. I've never once tried to praise Shula for anything on the micro level. Because it's flat out horsesh*t. And I don't think his strategy on the macro level is anything amazing, earth-shattering, or to write home about. Simply average probably. And when you're a play caller being terrible on the micro level, no matter how great the overall strategy, doesn't cut it. I'm 100% for getting rid of Shula. But to try to criticize him for lack of "evolution" within 1 season is unfair.

And as far as the routes against the Falcons go... I'm not so sure that wasn't intentional in order to not show our hand before the playoffs... I really hope that it wasn't, because it's dumber to not gameplan for a huge game for that could be (and wound up being) for the division or even the 2 seed. But I don't put it past Ron to go into week 17 trying to not put what they're doing on film. Stupid, but Ron does a lot of stupid things like that.

I don't put the lack of evolution on Shula.  I put it on Rivera.

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Oh, if evolution were but a simple, straight and unbothered line --- amoebae to homo extremis in 30 generations and lasers by day 5.

Evolution has never been about the leaps and bounds but by the dogged trial and error mixed with an unwillingness to give up on tomorrow.

We've had a lot of growing pains (and a lot of serious injuries to boot) but somehow the team put together 11 winning performances, some against some very strong play-off teams. We may fall flat at the start of the post season, we may stall out somewhere along the way, or we might just hoist a trophy in our battered, weary hands at the end of all this.

I've got faith in them, I still believe, how about you?

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Shula is incapable of evolving. He might change a little, but it will be lateral movement at best. He’s awful. He’s been awful at every point of his career. He’s too old of a dog to be learning new tricks. And Rivera doesn’t want to evolve. He’ll pay lip service, but he’s too gd stubborn in his ways. Probably the military upbringing. 

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