A chance that Norwell stays?

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, ericr0319 said:

Cuts - 

Ryan Kalil - saves $7,500,000. Aging, injured, and just not worth that pay day.
Jonathan Stewart - saves $3,750,000. See above.
Russell Shepard - saves $2,150,000. Not reliable. The only plays I remember from him outside his week 1 touchdown were bad plays. 
Charles Johnson - saves $3,500,000. Thank you for your time, but no where near worth this money, and I do not even want to see him take a paycut. Right now he is worthless on the field.
Wes Horton - saves $1,200,000. We will look to FA/Draft for more DE. 
Fozzy Whittaker - saves $1,150,000. Just not worth the $. Can find 100s of guys just like him. 
Kevon Seymour - saves $630,000. I mentioned him and Sanchez of the lesser guys because it is time to move on.
Zack Sanchez - saves $555,000. See above. 
Maybe cut a few others, but this brings our cap to $39,395,591.

Disagree on Horton and Seymour. Horton is a solid rotational DE and Seymour is absolutely worth bringing to camp. I'd rather have those two guys than that $1.83M in cap space. Might as well bring Sanchez to camp too. $555k is nothing in the NFL. Agree on the rest.

[ericr0319]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Disagree on Horton and Seymour. Horton is a solid rotational DE and Seymour is absolutely worth bringing to camp. I'd rather have those two guys than that $1.83M in cap space. Might as well bring Sanchez to camp too. $555k is nothing in the NFL. Agree on the rest.

quoting on an older post. Sanchez has shown nothing. Horton I feel is expendable after the draft, and we have the kid coming back off IR. 

[Ace_Aladdin]

1 minute ago, ericr0319 said:

quoting on an older post. Sanchez has shown nothing. Horton I feel is expendable after the draft, and we have the kid coming back off IR. 

Nope Horton is a key part of the DL with CJ being cut.

[LinvilleGorge]

15 minutes ago, ericr0319 said:

quoting on an older post. Sanchez has shown nothing. Horton I feel is expendable after the draft, and we have the kid coming back off IR. 

Sanchez hasn't shown anything yet, but there's no point in cutting him at this point to save $555k. You need camp bodies and you never know who's going to get hurt.

Horton is absolutely worth his $1.2M cap hit. We need him with CJ almost certainly getting cut and we don't know whether Peppers will return or not. He's a solid rotational DE. We IR'd Hall because he simply wasn't ready to contribute at the NFL level. Maybe he's going to work out, maybe not. Even if we do draft another DE relatively early, DEs generally take awhile to adjust to the NFL - just look at Hall last year and look at guys like CJ and Hardy who didn't break out until their 3rd season. We need Horton. $1.2M is nothing.

[imminent rogaine]

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Disagree on Horton and Seymour. Horton is a solid rotational DE and Seymour is absolutely worth bringing to camp. I'd rather have those two guys than that $1.83M in cap space. Might as well bring Sanchez to camp too. $555k is nothing in the NFL. Agree on the rest.

Absolutely agree on Horton and Seymour.  Horton gives us continuity and a servicable veteran back up for almost nothing.  Seymour was arguably as good as Worley at times and is still young enough to have some room to grow.

I think I would kick Sanchez to the curb, though, knowing that we are tied to Captain and we have Corn coming back.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, imminent rogaine said:

Absolutely agree on Horton and Seymour.  Horton gives us continuity and a servicable veteran back up for almost nothing.  Seymour was arguably as good as Worley at times and is still young enough to have some room to grow.

I think I would kick Sanchez to the curb, though, knowing that we are tied to Captain and we have Corn coming back.

I'd just keep Sanchez for camp since $555k is virtually nothing, he's familiar with our defense and coaching staff, and we never know who might get hurt.

[ras977]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's actually a good question.

I would guess Rivera, and frankly the thought of Ron Rivera managing our salary cap gives me serious pause.

Can it get it get any worse ? 

Potentially, the highest paid guards in the league & we still don't have a LT.

 

[t96]

48 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

I thought the FT was simply the average of the top 5 at that position.

It is but OL is all lumped in together so even for guards and centers it is the average of the top 5 LTs...

[Doc Holiday]

2 hours ago, thefuzz said:

Really hard to pay him when we have TD, Olsen, Kalil, Cam, Luke, and KK making such large figures...unless the cap is jumping way up.

 

And Hurney counted on that one year, and we almost couldn't sign our draft picks.

TD and Olsen aren’t making that much, Luke and KK are well deserved. So what are you talking about??

[MHS831]

Do not discount Larsen and the Van Roten signing.  It takes centers some time to get it, as indicated here---they tend to peak at age 27 (Larsen is 26) and continue to play at a high level until age 32--Ryan Kalil's age--when they hit a cliff.  Kalil's recent neck injury history is not an indication that he is likely to defy father time.  Now, back to Larsen--he is entering his peak.  Hope it is good enough.  We were definitely better with Kalil.

Larsen is also much bigger.  Kalil played at an exaggerated 300; Larsen weights 320.  Maybe, with a new scheme, OC, and dedication to the run,  Larsen will be better.  I will say that Kalil with no Norwell is not as good as Norwell/Larsen.

Finally, Larsen's PFF grade was not bad. (FWIW) https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/tyler-larsen/9304

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/ryan-kalil/3675

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

TD and Olsen aren’t making that much, Luke and KK are well deserved. So what are you talking about??

Olsen will be the 5th highest paid TE in the NFL next season. I'm okay with that.

TD will be the 12th highest paid 4-3 OLB in the NFL next season. I'm also okay with that.

[grimesgoat]

1 hour ago, ericr0319 said:

Cuts - 

Ryan Kalil - saves $7,500,000. Aging, injured, and just not worth that pay day.
Jonathan Stewart - saves $3,750,000. See above.
Russell Shepard - saves $2,150,000. Not reliable. The only plays I remember from him outside his week 1 touchdown were bad plays. 
Charles Johnson - saves $3,500,000. Thank you for your time, but no where near worth this money, and I do not even want to see him take a paycut. Right now he is worthless on the field.
Wes Horton - saves $1,200,000. We will look to FA/Draft for more DE. 
Fozzy Whittaker - saves $1,150,000. Just not worth the $. Can find 100s of guys just like him. 
Kevon Seymour - saves $630,000. I mentioned him and Sanchez of the lesser guys because it is time to move on.
Zack Sanchez - saves $555,000. See above. 
Maybe cut a few others, but this brings our cap to $39,395,591.

Sportrac has us at 8.3m based on our current draft pool.

I'd consider cutting Stew depending on how the draft works out. 

Johnson is definitely done.

With those two cuts, we have about 15m in cap room.

I'd try to extend R Kalil and in order to spread his hit a little.  This will create a little dead money next year, but I do not want to lose my starting center.  I'd draft a guy in the first 3 rounds to slide into his spot next year (or maybe a little in 2018 if Kalil get's injured again).

The other guys are not worth discussion - if you cut them, you have to replace them and you really are not going to save any money.  Except Horton.  That dude is severely underpaid.  Come on.

Then I'd offer Norwell a 4 year contract for 45m (same as Trai) but with a bonus of 16m.  I'd structure the annual salary at 2, 6, 9, 12.  That way the cap hit is only 6m in 2018.  Next year it will be 12m, but no more Kalil.  In year 4, the cap hit will by 16m or I can cut him for 4m dead if he is not performing.

[bigdog10]

We will have learned nothing from our past if we pay Norwell what he is worth. Absolutely nothing. 

I love Norwell, but we signed Norwells walking papers the minute we inked Matt Kalil to that absurd contract. 

[MHS831]

36 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Sportrac has us at 8.3m based on our current draft pool.

I'd consider cutting Stew depending on how the draft works out. 

Johnson is definitely done.

With those two cuts, we have about 15m in cap room.

I'd try to extend R Kalil and in order to spread his hit a little.  This will create a little dead money next year, but I do not want to lose my starting center.  I'd draft a guy in the first 3 rounds to slide into his spot next year (or maybe a little in 2018 if Kalil get's injured again).

The other guys are not worth discussion - if you cut them, you have to replace them and you really are not going to save any money.  Except Horton.  That dude is severely underpaid.  Come on.

Then I'd offer Norwell a 4 year contract for 45m (same as Trai) but with a bonus of 16m.  I'd structure the annual salary at 2, 6, 9, 12.  That way the cap hit is only 6m in 2018.  Next year it will be 12m, but no more Kalil.  In year 4, the cap hit will by 16m or I can cut him for 4m dead if he is not performing.

Thanks for this--Horton is probably a value and will not be cut--especially if CJ is cut.  Hall an unknown and Pep....Addison is all we have, really.