Hurney and drafting receivers

[CarolinaSamurai]

32 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

KB and Funch are both already better than any WR Hurney ever acquired as GM and DG had less than half the time here. I’m not saying DG is great at scouting WRs. He’s not. But he’s head and shoulders above Hurney.

I disagree. I think they are both bad. Our WR core was never good under DG. At least Hurney had some good ones under him even if he didn't draft them. 

[Rags]

2 minutes ago, The Natural said:

I remember there being rumblings of Keyshawn causing locker room issues and he certainly had a reputation from his other teams. Smith still had two great seasons after he was released sooooo.

Keyshawn was actually excited when we drafted Jarett and couldn't wait to take him under his wing.

I dunno if he caused problems or not but I think cutting him was a bit rash unless the problems were major.

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, The Natural said:

I remember there being rumblings of Keyshawn causing locker room issues and he certainly had a reputation from his other teams. Smith still had two great seasons after he was released sooooo.

Smith had mediocre seasons before he was released.

And "two great seasons" is a bit of a stretch.  Smith was good early because he was high on rage fuel.  After playing us, he started to tail off. Heck, one of the Ravens beat reporters wrote a whole column about how little Smith was doing down the stretch.

Smith never sniffed the Super Bowl with the Ravens, but one year later we were back in it after having the best season in team history.

Yeah, what a huge mistake

 

[The Natural]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's a little over the top with it, but honestly, go back and look at Hurney's last three drafts. Look at our cap situation at the time he was fired. Look at some of the contracts that were on the books.

I get the thought process of "let's just see how it all works out" but for those of us who were fans through the first Hurney era, we've already seen this movie before.

I certainly do remember how bad it was. I'm just of the mindset that maybe all the issues weren't 100% his fault. I've never claimed him to be the greatest GM but I honestly don't think he's going to come in and destroy this team in a single offseason. You have to remember he made a lot of good moves too.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, The Natural said:

You're a broken record dude. I used to enjoy your posts but as many others have stated.... You need to take a break for awhile man.

Nah.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

1 hour ago, Jeremy Igo said:

 

Feel the Hurn!!!! 

Armani was a future 2nd and the 3rd we took him with. Hurney should not even be considered for an associate scouting intern(not a real job) let alone the GM for a professional NFL team based on this decision alone. 

[Rags]

Anyway I know people like to harp on Jarett and Hurney for Jarett but

He was just very lazy and lethargic. I don't think we ever saw the best from him til his last few games with Moore. He actually looked like a competent WR those last few games.

However all of his other WR picks were bad and dumb, though I'm sure Fox had a say in some (namely LaFell.)

[WOW!!]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Not even remotely close.

As has been discussed numerous times, Smith was let go because he was in decline and he was holding Cam back from being a leader.

Johnson was let go because they believed Dwayne Jarrett could easily replace him.

No... The real story was Keyshawn was a cancer and constantly in Jakes face about getting him the ball.. And Him and Smitty were 2 seconds from a brawl daily.. You can act like you don't remember because your beloved Gman made the same type move.. But it's true.. 

And let's put some salt on this for you.  

No matter how much Smitty declined .. (which he still had 3  good season left in him).. It wasn't to the point Where Chotchery and Avant were a better option then him... What the fug are you talking about..

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, The Natural said:

I certainly do remember how bad it was. I'm just of the mindset that maybe all the issues weren't 100% his fault. I've never claimed him to be the greatest GM but I honestly don't think he's going to come in and destroy this team in a single offseason. You have to remember he made a lot of good moves too.

It's rare that any issue within an organization is 100% one person's fault, but Hurney was the one in charge. We all know how much JR values loyalty and we all know how loyal Hurney was/is to JR. JR still had to fire him. It had simply gotten THAT bad.

[The Natural]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Smith had mediocre seasons before he was released.

And "two great seasons" is a bit of a stretch.  Smith was good early because he was high on rage fuel.  After playing us, he started to tail off. Heck, one of the Ravens beat reporters wrote a whole column about how little Smith was doing down the stretch.

Smith never sniffed the Super Bowl with the Ravens, but one year later we were back in it after having the best season in team history.

Yeah, what a huge mistake

 

Do you honestly believe in your heart that if Steve Smith had played in Super Bowl 50 he wouldn't be the best WR on the field for us? 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, Rags said:

Anyway I know people like to harp on Jarett and Hurney for Jarett but

He was just very lazy and lethargic. I don't think we ever saw the best from him til his last few games with Moore. He actually looked like a competent WR those last few games.

However all of his other WR picks were bad and dumb, though I'm sure Fox had a say in some (namely LaFell.)

Part of the scouting process is determining that work ethic and drive. Lots of guys have the pure talent to be successful NFL players. You actually get successful NFL players when you combine that pure talent with the work ethic and drive to be great. I've always liked KB, but I don't think he has the drive either. They guy could be an All-Pro if he really wanted it.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, WOW!! said:

No... The real story was Keyshawn was a cancer and constantly in Jakes face about getting him the ball.. And Him and Smitty were 2 seconds from a brawl daily.. You can act like you don't remember because your beloved Gman made the same type move.. But it's true.. 

And let's put some salt on this for you.  

No matter how much Smitty declined .. (which he still had 3  good season left in him).. It wasn't to the point Where Chotchery and Avant were a better option then him... What the fug are you talking about..

Riiiiight.

Remind me: Which team went to the Super Bowl the following year?  Was it the one with Steve Smith or the one without him?

[Rags]

2 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

No matter how much Smitty declined .. (which he still had 3  good season left in him).. It wasn't to the point Where Chotchery and Avant were a better option then him... What the fug are you talking about..

While I don't disagree that even later Smith > Cotch and Avant...would having Smith on the team really do anything in 2014?

We needed to move on eventually, why not sooner rather than later?

[Car123]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Smith had mediocre seasons before he was released.

And "two great seasons" is a bit of a stretch.  Smith was good early because he was high on rage fuel.  After playing us, he started to tail off. Heck, one of the Ravens beat reporters wrote a whole column about how little Smith was doing down the stretch.

Smith never sniffed the Super Bowl with the Ravens, but one year later we were back in it after having the best season in team history.

Yeah, what a huge mistake

 

1400 yards

1200 yards

800 yards

if this is mediocre what the hell would you label KB and Funchess’ careers?