The Browns can basically sign everybody

[Rags]

Lol no Hue Jackson is a terrible coach.

And even though the browns finally are adding pieces to compete the fact that they're sticking with Hue Jackson reeks.

[Jangler]

2 hours ago, Woodie said:

I think he's good enough to win a Super Bowl, but he's not Tom Brady who can carry his team on his shoulders to the win.  He'll need more pieces around him to win the big game, much like Foles this year (although I actually think that overall, Cousins is much better than Foles).

Foles has proved himself twice now. I'd take Foles over Cousins any day.

Foles reminds me of Delhomme, for what that's worth.

[cookinbrak]

6 hours ago, thomas96 said:

Is Cousins really all that good though?

A better question......was RGIII all that bad?

[BrianS]

54 minutes ago, cookinbrak said:

A better question......was RGIII all that bad?

We'll never know.  The injury fundamentally changed him.  You can't compare pre-injury RGIII to post-injury RGIII.  They just aren't the same player.

[Rags]

1 hour ago, BrianS said:

We'll never know.  The injury fundamentally changed him.  You can't compare pre-injury RGIII to post-injury RGIII.  They just aren't the same player.

Yep.

Dude didn't want to run anymore. Changed into a pure pocket passer when he's been facing defenses that respected his legs his whole life.

Two totally different QBs. 

[chbright]

11 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Browns carry over 58.9 million in unused cap space from last year

Add to this that they have a GM who has been competent before.

Do we look at the Browns next season thinking "maybe they have a real shot" or "so how will they screw this up?"

Which has to piss Sashi Brown off even more. His play was we suck, we don't have cap room, or enough talent so let's make a move to aquire it later, like 2017/2018. He sold most old talent, acquired massive draft capital (some panned out some didn't) had massive draft capital left for 2018, yet the 1 win coach outlasts him?

 

He had to tell the owners this was the payoff, cheap young talent ready in 2018/2019 with a brinks truck ready to buy a part like a QB (Cousins or at the time Jimmy G) plus fill other holes with top talents.

 

He tried the "trust the process" Sam Hinkie was doing with the 76ers. Both got canned before they let it play out. Browns needed such a rebuild he torn it mostly down, got really young, cheap, controlled assets, and was in position to cash in the cap savings he made. Hinkie is been in proven correct (that 76s team if healthy in 2019, hell this year is scary, plus they have room to go get Lebron in 2019......). Not sure Sashi will be proven right in 2018, but he gave the next gm good parts, great draft capital, and almost unlimited cap room. If they still suck in 2020 after likely emptying the vaults, then the new GM has 0 excuses. He has the money to buy a QB and the picks to find one.

[Mr. Scot]

10 minutes ago, chbright said:

Which has to piss Sashi Brown off even more. His play was we suck, we don't have cap room, or enough talent so let's make a move to aquire it later, like 2017/2018. He sold most old talent, acquired massive draft capital (some panned out some didn't) had massive draft capital left for 2018, yet the 1 win coach outlasts him?

 

He had to tell the owners this was the payoff, cheap young talent ready in 2018/2019 with a brinks truck ready to buy a part like a QB (Cousins or at the time Jimmy G) plus fill other holes with top talents.

 

He tried the "trust the process" Sam Hinkie was doing with the 76ers. Both got canned before they let it play out. Browns needed such a rebuild he torn it mostly down, got really young, cheap, controlled assets, and was in position to cash in the cap savings he made. Hinkie is been in proven correct (that 76s team if healthy in 2019, hell this year is scary, plus they have room to go get Lebron in 2019......). Not sure Sashi will be proven right in 2018, but he gave the next gm good parts, great draft capital, and almost unlimited cap room. If they still suck in 2020 after likely emptying the vaults, then the new GM has 0 excuses. He has the money to buy a QB and the picks to find one.

The one downside for Dorsey is that apparently he wanted to fire Hue Jackson and the owners wouldn't approve it.

But who knows? Jackson could have the opportunity to double his win total this year, right? 

[Zaximus]

10 hours ago, thomas96 said:

Is Cousins really all that good though?

Not sure, but he's done pretty well with the Redskins, and you know how that team is.    Vikings have a really good team with good pieces for him.     Let's say this, if he comes in and sucks, it's not because he doesn't have the talent.

[RumHam]

They've tanked for 15 years to reach super bowl LIV. They beat the lions in the championship in 1954. There's some sort of correlation there. Illuminati. Someone figure it out. They beat the Lions. their last championship came exactly ten years later. the eagles bucked their losing trend, it's the brownies time to SHINE.

 

[Rags]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

The one downside for Dorsey is that apparently he wanted to fire Hue Jackson and the owners wouldn't approve it.

Iunno if I'd call that a downside, Hue Jackson is everything the posters here think Ron is.

He continually throws his own players and the whole team under the bus to save his own skin.

[RetiredCollegeCoach]

2 hours ago, chbright said:

Which has to piss Sashi Brown off even more. His play was we suck, we don't have cap room, or enough talent so let's make a move to aquire it later, like 2017/2018. He sold most old talent, acquired massive draft capital (some panned out some didn't) had massive draft capital left for 2018, yet the 1 win coach outlasts him?

 

He had to tell the owners this was the payoff, cheap young talent ready in 2018/2019 with a brinks truck ready to buy a part like a QB (Cousins or at the time Jimmy G) plus fill other holes with top talents.

 

He tried the "trust the process" Sam Hinkie was doing with the 76ers. Both got canned before they let it play out. Browns needed such a rebuild he torn it mostly down, got really young, cheap, controlled assets, and was in position to cash in the cap savings he made. Hinkie is been in proven correct (that 76s team if healthy in 2019, hell this year is scary, plus they have room to go get Lebron in 2019......). Not sure Sashi will be proven right in 2018, but he gave the next gm good parts, great draft capital, and almost unlimited cap room. If they still suck in 2020 after likely emptying the vaults, then the new GM has 0 excuses. He has the money to buy a QB and the picks to find one.

As likely as not it was pre-agreed. I.e., Brown as always supposed to oversee the tank and the asset stockpiling, then eventually give way to a GM who would focus on actually winning. No one involved will ever admit it, but it makes sense - we're talking about two different jobs for two different guys.

[RetiredCollegeCoach]

Although what Jackson's job is supposed to be is anyone's guess.

[joemac]

If they happen to actually luck into a franchise QB the Browns could be really good. Eventually they have to be good for at least one season, right? Last time they were any good Derek Anderson was their QB. Wtf.

[Mr. Scot]

54 minutes ago, Rags said:

Iunno if I'd call that a downside, Hue Jackson is everything the posters here think Ron is.

He continually throws his own players and the whole team under the bus to save his own skin.

The downside is that the owners didn't let him do it. Thus, they've saddled Dorsey with another year of Jackson.

Personally, I agree with him. Jackson is just not a head coach.