Derrius Guice may have lied about Combine questions

[Mr. Scot]

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After the Scouting Combine, former LSU running back Derrius Guice claimed that he was asked by a team in Indianapolis whether he likes men, and whether his mom is a prostitute. The claims sparked a league investigation, which has included among other things multiple conversations with Guice.

Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the league has found inconsistencies in Guice’s version of the events, and the league has been unable to corroborate his claims or to identify the team(s) that asked the questions.

While it’s unclear whether the league eventually will conclude that Guice was mistaken or lying, at least one team employee who has interacted with Guice was and still is convinced that Guice made it up.

NFL expected to find no improprieties in Derrius Guice case

[Saca312]

Drop to us in the second round pls. Harold Landry in the first and Guice in the second would be highway robbery.

[electro's horse]

lol the league is anonymously leaking its own investigation to fuging mike florio to make a player look bad

fug the nfl good lord

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Drop to us in the second round pls. Harold Landry in the first and Guice in the second would be highway robbery.

This story doesn't worry you as a potential red flag?

[The Lobo]

4 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Drop to us in the second round pls. Harold Landry in the first and Guice in the second would be highway robbery.

I would love that. Has Landry visited us or have we done anything with him yet?

[panther252]

I can see why he would do it. Pity is very underrated. 

[luke nukem]

4 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This story doesn't worry you as a potential red flag?

not at all

[La Pantera]

Have you heard him speak?? He doesn't come off being too bright. With that said, he's still the most powerful runner in this class.

[WarHeel]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This story doesn't worry you as a potential red flag?

Will always amaze me how many people neglect character just because a guy is a great at his sport. I find it hard to pull “the bad guy” but that’s just me.

[Mr. Scot]

14 minutes ago, La Pantera said:

Have you heard him speak?? He doesn't come off being too bright.

That's part of the problem.

It's pretty well-known that Jeff Ireland asked Dez Bryant if his mom was a prostitute a few years ago. There was a huge dust up that followed and Ireland got in plenty of trouble with the league over it.

Nobody's gonna so that again. Thus, claiming that somebody asked you that same thing seems like a pretty obvious lie, and not an especially smart move.

So if you have a guy who's willing to lie and potentially cause other people to get in trouble to bring attention and sympathy to himself in this situation, what makes you think he wouldn't do the same thing if he were on your team and say, not getting as many reps as he wanted?

This story says "maturity issues", "not all that bright", "poor judgment" and "possible problem child / locker room troublemaker" to me. It would very definitely cause me to think twice about him.

[hepcat]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's part of the problem.

It's pretty well-known that Jeff Ireland asked Dez Bryant if his mom was a prostitute a few years ago. There was a huge dust up that followed and Ireland got in plenty of trouble with the league over it.

Nobody's gonna so that again. Thus, claiming that somebody asked you that same thing seems like a pretty obvious lie, and not an especially bright move.

So if you have a guy who's willing to lie and potentially cause other people to get in trouble to bring attention and sympathy to himself in this situation, what makes you think he wouldn't do the same thing if he were on your team and say, not getting as many reps as he wanted?

This story says "maturity issues" and "possible problem child / locker room troublemaker" to me. It would very definitely cause me to think twice about him.

Mr. Scot has his "Jump To Conclusions" mat out today

[Saca312]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So if you have a guy who's willing to lie and potentially cause other people to get in trouble to bring attention and sympathy to himself in this situation, what makes you think he wouldn't do the same thing if he were on your team and say, not getting as many reps as he wanted?

Which I get. In today's climate, sympathy seekers have been far too prevalent and the mentality it has on the youth of today leads them to think they can go the easy route by garnering false sympathy for themselves. 

That's why I think we shouldn't invest a first, but even with maturity issues I'd be hard pressed to pass him up by the second round.

To compare, I'm sure the maturity issues with Cam were a topic during the draft. From 'stealing a laptop' and his Auburn affair, he definitely had more red flags in comparison to Guice. Yet, we drafted him in the first, and look at how much he's grown now.

He's moved past his college days of 'fooling around' (to the extent which he admits were his dark days) and got his life on track. While this is of course a rare example of things working out for a player (one we invested the #1 overall pick on), I also think Guice's event isn't as deep as it could be for others (i.e. Callaway is by far the best receiver of this class, but I wouldn't begin even thinking of him until the 3rd with his background).

Investing a second rounder for a potential risk yet high reward scenario is enticing. Our locker room also has plenty of guys who'd likely set him straight with whatever attitude he wants to bring in.

The question is, can our locker room culture and leaders set him straight and understand the value of integrity and his role on the team? I think the Panthers have plenty of high character guys for that, but at the same time I understand it's also a risk to invest in someone who'll be me-centric as well.

[jumpman910]

22 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

This story doesn't worry you as a potential red flag?

Not in the slightest bit. He could've misinterpreted what they were trying to insinuate or have been lying

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

Which I get. In today's climate, sympathy seekers have been far too prevalent and the mentality it has on the youth of today leads them to think they can go the easy route by garnering false sympathy for themselves. 

That's why I think we shouldn't invest a first, but even with maturity issues I'd be hard pressed to pass him up by the second round.

To compare, I'm sure the maturity issues with Cam were a topic during the draft. From 'stealing a laptop' and his Auburn affair, he definitely had more red flags in comparison to Guice. Yet, we drafted him in the first, and look at how much he's grown now.

He's moved past his college days of fooling around and got his life on track. While this is of course a rare example of things working out for a player (one we invested the #1 overall pick on), I also think Guice's event isn't as deep as it could be for others (i.e. Callaway is by far the best receiver of this class, but I wouldn't begin even thinking of him until the 3rd with his background).

Investing a second rounder for a potential risk yet high reward scenario is enticing. Our locker room also has plenty of guys who'd likely set him straight with whatever attitude he wants to bring in.

Keep in mind that part of the reason why we have a good locker room is that we tend to avoid guys who could screw it up.