Bucky Brooks jumps on the first round tight end bandwagon

[SetfreexX]

I wouldn't be mad at it, Greg has a year left, and even with an extension doesn't strike me as a Jason Witten in the sense of dragging out his career for nearly as long. Aside from that I'd be good with this move, safety is a need but there are a lot of relatively young quality veterans available. I'm on board for giving this offense AS MANY VIABLE WEAPONS AS POSSIBLE. 

You have to be able to score, running and great defense are for the playoffs, in the regular season you have to be able to outscore some of these teams. If we draft a combination of -- WR / TE / HB / S -- with our first four selections I wouldn't bat an eye. We don't ''need OL'' this year -- Moton / Larsen / Sirles / Roten are all competing for one spot, and the others can all back up Kalil at C (Larsen / Roten). 

We don't ''need'' DE/DB this year -- we have some young players, mixed with vets that round these groups out nicely. Cockrell 3 yrs, Bradberry 2 yrs, Munnerlyn 2 yrs, Elder, Cole, Seymour, Gunter all young, and flashed in their own rights for the ones that got to play. 

This is a deep offensive draft, you owe your franchise QB the best compliments you can provide. And if Norv's comments in the brief video are anything when he's talking right next to River's, it's his regret for not keeping high level talent around a QB of his ability. 

[steven8989]

9 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

I wouldn't be mad at it, Greg has a year left, and even with an extension doesn't strike me as a Jason Witten in the sense of dragging out his career for nearly as long. Aside from that I'd be good with this move, safety is a need but there are a lot of relatively young quality veterans available. I'm on board for giving this offense AS MANY VIABLE WEAPONS AS POSSIBLE. 

You have to be able to score, running and great defense are for the playoffs, in the regular season you have to be able to outscore some of these teams. If we draft a combination of -- WR / TE / HB / S -- with our first four selections I wouldn't bat an eye. We don't ''need OL'' this year -- Moton / Larsen / Sirles / Roten are all competing for one spot, and the others can all back up Kalil at C (Larsen / Roten). 

We don't ''need'' DE/DB this year -- we have some young players, mixed with vets that round these groups out nicely. Cockrell 3 yrs, Bradberry 2 yrs, Munnerlyn 2 yrs, Elder, Cole, Seymour, Gunter all young, and flashed in their own rights for the ones that got to play. 

This is a deep offensive draft, you owe your franchise QB the best compliments you can provide. And if Norv's comments in the brief video are anything when he's talking right next to River's, it's his regret for not keeping high level talent around a QB of his ability. 

This is one of the best posts I've seen in awhile. I totally agree, I think they they are going to roll with what they got on defense and go offense most of draft.

[Khyber53]

Sometimes you have to pick for what you will need, rather than what you think you need.

Will needs due to replacement necessities include: C, TE, LB and DE.

We perceive that we need WR, CB, S and LT. We may be serviceable at each of those spots, though. WR is something we can go to war with what we have. CB and S aren't how our defenses are built as D-Line and LB is where we have spent our money. LT is, well, tied up in escrow at the moment.

Chances are that we are looking to find replacements for Olsen, Pep, TD and Ryan Kalil. These are long-term needs and are core parts of how we play the game. We're built from the center of the field out, locked in on Cam and Luke as our centerpieces. 

I'm not saying it is the best way of doing it, but that's how it goes here.

[SOJA]

OMG if we pick those two guys with our first two picks I will rage face

Something that isn't worth it's own thread but should be mentioned: Hurney has been pretty incredible in the first round. He's kind of due for a miss statistically. If he drafts Hurst in the first round, mark my rounds that will be the first first round miss of his career and will seal his fate. 

[SOJA]

Guys, Hurst is 25 years old already, hasn't been playing football for nearly as long as these other guys. 

For reference: Greg Olsen was a better player out of college. Had played in the league three years already when we got him. He was 26 at the time. Oh and he only cost us a third rounder. 

 

There is no comparison between us getting Olsen vs. us getting Hurst. I hope Marty is smart enough to see that. 

 

Now should Hurst fall to round 3 I would definitely take him. 

[FuFuLamePoo]

8 hours ago, Troys99x3 said:

What people see in Hurst that gives off round 1 talent is beyond me. You all want him over Godhert...? Crazy. I'll be pissed if we take Hurst round 1. He is not a first round talent. 

Yeah and he's like 25. This would be a fuging terrible pick

[imminent rogaine]

10 minutes ago, FuFuLamePoo said:

Yeah and he's like 25. This would be a fuging terrible pick

5th year option when he is 30!?

[MHS831]

These are the reasons we cannot go TE/Hurst in the first round.

1. Value---too often on these draft sites, we place value of the player directly in correlation with team needs and the depth at the position.  Hurst in the second would make me a bit unhappy. 

2.  Back to needs:  We have other more pressing needs.  While a second TE could be valuable to Norv, we have bigger concerns at positions where there is not a pro bowler starting.  CB, S, WR, maybe.

3.  TEs are cheap, so when you draft a TE in the first, you are saving yourself from paying free agency rates for a TE.  Compare that to the free agency rates of a CB.  The difference is about $3-5m. 

4. Hayden is 25; some of you call that a minus, but you are basically getting a player who can play on his rookie deal, a fifth year option, and maybe a 2-3 year contract.  It does not bother me that much because some 22 year olds are drafted, sit for a while because they are immature or physically unready.  Often these players get labeled busts and do not develop until they are on other teams.

5.  There seems to have been little movement/interest in TEs in free agency.  If that is the case, is it a priority?  I do not see TE smoke signals coming from Mint Street.

 

[imminent rogaine]

I think TE this year is a great idea; however, I don't think we should be going TE earlier than 3rd round. That is about right for a good TE. Reaching and drafting a guy earlier than you should doesn't make him better, it just makes your team worse.

[Thompcat]

We need a TE but the answer will be taken with our 2nd pick in the 3rd round. I believe Ian Thomas will be there and I really like him.  

[MHS831]

14 minutes ago, imminent rogaine said:

5th year option when he is 30!?

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I think we make a mistake if we draft players for more than 1 contract.  5 years is more than the average NFL career.  2 ways of looking at this.

1. We would get a TE in his prime for five years at the rookie rate.   Let's say his first four years cost us about $2.5 million.  THen the fifth year cost us $6m.  That is an average of about $3.2 m per year for a TE in his prime. 

Pretty good. Too often, people want to see a young player drafted so we can have a TD type love story.  Getting 5 years out of a draft pick is not a bad thing.  Personally, his age does not bother me. 

2. However, if you are looking or a financial bargain, draft a player at a position where the salaries are high. For example, Cam was a REAL bargain over his first five years.   A CB in the first (and this draft is loaded with starting-caliber talent at CB) is a better value. 

[MHS831]

32 minutes ago, SOJA said:

OMG if we pick those two guys with our first two picks I will rage face

Something that isn't worth it's own thread but should be mentioned: Hurney has been pretty incredible in the first round. He's kind of due for a miss statistically. If he drafts Hurst in the first round, mark my rounds that will be the first first round miss of his career and will seal his fate. 

Hurney drafts SAFE positions in the first round--positions that can contribute right away and make him look smart.  He drafted Stewart the year after drafting Deangelo.  How smart is 2 first-round RBs when you have nothing at DT, WR, CB?  LBs are generally safe. 

Hurney, to me, seemed to approach the draft to get a first rounder who can play right away. 

Then the second round was some player that they looked at in the first who dropped.  Why they dropped did not interest him.  If we had a need and the player dropped, Hurney picked him in the second.  BUT THERE IS A REASON, in most cases, a player drops.   Clausen passed 2 teams in the first round AND the second round that desperately  needed a QB at the time (KC and Minn).  What did they know?  Meanwhile, Marty is chomping at the bit to trade up with the Rams to draft him.  That same draft, he thinks, "We are so lucky to have not spent a pick to move up for Clausen, we are playing with house money.  So, we are going to trade up for a small-school QB, convert him to WR and punt returner when he has never done either, in the third round.  

 

[pantherclaw]

8 hours ago, Panthers8969 said:

Ima say this loud for the people in the back

 

LAST YEAR WAS A HISTORICALLY GREAT TE CLASS IT ISNT COMMON FOR TES TO GO IN THE FIRST ROUND EVEN IF YOU THINK HURST IS THE BEST TE AVAILABLE HES NOT A FIRST ROUNDER AND MUCH WORSE THAN HOWARD WAS COMING OUT 

I can't read your poo. Could you increase the font size to stress your opinion even more?

Maybe then, someone will give a damm.

[CKI]

6 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

That same draft, he thinks, "We are so lucky to have not spent a pick to move up for Clausen, we are playing with house money.  So, we are going to trade up for a small-school QB, convert him to WR and punt returner when he has never done either, in the third round.  

 

I could really live without ever seeing this moment in Panther's history ever mentioned again