Another profile of Navarro (with an interesting quote)

[XClown1986]

Navarro just seems like a good guy, so of course the other owners won't want him. He isn't skeevy enough for them. 

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Wait, so if Hurney's guys never amount to anything it's the coaches fault but it's Gettlemens fault that his plays didn't live up to expectations?   

I admit I preferred Gettlemens approach and the results that followed over anything Hurney ever did.  But you are the one that keeps bringing that up not me.  I am judging Hurney on his merits or lack thereof.

 

My complaint about Gettleman was his fruit basket turnover in personnel every year which is the major reason we started off slow. Plus he thought you could just replace players plug and play like Madden without worrying about fit or chemistry. He trusted his evaluations too much and often ignored whole position groups like wide receiver some years and secondary other years.

And no you aren't judging Hurney on anything resembling merits or you would acknowledge the great job he has done so far

 Instead you nitpick and constantly complain like you did all during the draft. I love people swearing objectively when their whole persona drips bias.

[frash.exe]

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

Don't really care who buys the team now as long as it gets JR's demented ass out of the way along with Hurney and the rest of the FO.  It is well beyond time for the JR era to be over.

i can’t wait to see the direction of the franchise with a new owner. there’s been little to no evolution in the way the team has been run for a very long time.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, panthers55 said:

My complaint about Gettleman was his fruit basket turnover in personnel every year which is the major reason we started off slow. Plus he thought you could just replace players plug and play like Madden without worrying about fit or chemistry. He trusted his evaluations too much and often ignored whole position groups like wide receiver some years and secondary other years.

And no you aren't judging Hurney on anything resembling merits or you would acknowledge the great job he has done so far

 Instead you nitpick and constantly complain like you did all during the draft. I love people swearing objectively when their whole persona drips bias.

Based on what?  You haven't seen any of these players on the field together so how can you proclaim that it was great?  

You keep going back to Dave and your hatred for his decisions when I never interjected him into the conversation in the first place.   Talk about bias.

And for the record, I challenge you to find one post from me that proclaims any signing or draft pick of Dave's as him doing a great job.  And I challenge you to produce one fact that says he was fired over the Norman ordeal.

Too many of you guys want to proclaim success or failure before you even see how it plays out.  It takes several years to accurately evaluate a draft and that is even if you know how the coaches chose to develop and utilize these players.  Sitting on your couch, in the stands or in the booth watching doesn't qualify you as a talent expert.

[The Huddler]

fug navarro

 

give me tepper

[Carl Spackler]

The preceding was a production of whatever PR firm they hired out -- and it was a good production, too. We need Ben.

[Carl Spackler]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

WSOC: Panthers bidder a humble man

The video is worth a watch, but this quote from former Charleston mayor Joe Riley stood out to me...

So he wants the team in Charlotte, and he wants it to be the best it can be.

I'll take that.

The report also indicated Navarro wants to increase the Panthers involvement in the community and education.

Sadly I wouldn't be shocked if JR's demented ass took that as a slap in the face. Nothing's off the table right now.

[shulasmyhero]

Originally wanted Tepper and was okay if it was Navarro.  As time has passed and we learn more about Navarro I think I have flipped my order of preference.  The simple good sense to avoid involvement with Felix Sabates is an indicator of sound judgment.

That said, I've read all the theories and profiles, etc but none of it really rings true to me regarding the delay.  Seems like there is a group of owners that do not support Navarro, otherwise i think this would already be done.

As for the GM comparisons, who gives a crap? DG is gone, Hurney is the GM.  Hope he does well while he's here.  I wasn't supportive of his return because of the absolute mess he left us with last time but I hope he does well.  I still don't trust him long term but I'm really trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.  Too early to make any declarations on anything he's done so far other than they don't apprear to be irresponsible at face value.  We have to wait to see if it works on the field before we can definitively say either way.

One thing that hit me during the draft that I hadn't really thought about before was, usually when teams suck for long periods of time (5+ seasons), they have lots of cap space and accumulate lots of picks.  Somehow Hurney managed to field a horrible team for several consecutive years while maxing out cap space, you have to hand it to him, you really don't see that very often.

[CatMan72]

All in on Navarro

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, panthers55 said:

Not a fan of Shula but a fan of the Panthers and the team. Note I haven't said anything to defend Shula despite the constant barrage of criticism he still gets. The reason is he is no longer on the team and not my concern anymore. While I have some reservations about Norv what have I said publically? That I support him and think he will do a good job. I am not a fan of a player or coach but a defender of the players and team while they play for us. As for the GM debates, that is not my thing. But someone else will take it up I am sure. The main thing I said about Gettleman when it first started was that his ego got in the way with Norman and would cause big issues. I was proven right once again when that led to his firing.

You defended Shula on a weekly basis right up until he was fired. And your pre-excuse for Hurney is ridiculous.

As to the rest, yeah right.

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, XClown1986 said:

Navarro just seems like a good guy, so of course the other owners won't want him. He isn't skeevy enough for them. 

Given the trail of slime that Jerry Richardson is leaving behind him, I think they'd be pretty smart to go after the nicest guy they can find.

[PurityControl]

When this all started I wanted Tepper, but as this has dragged on and the more I hear I think I’m with Navarro now.

But really I just want this to conclude and get on with Football already.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

You defended Shula on a weekly basis right up until he was fired. And your pre-excuse for Hurney is ridiculous.

As to the rest, yeah right.

Like I said I defended Shula because he was our OC and still believe much of the criticism is undeserved but that is all I will say. 

But lets be real here. You used to tout yourself as the voice of reason but the last 6 months it has been tinfoil hat conspiracies and constant negativity of Richardson, Hurney and even Rivera at times. I don't seeing you as having the objectivity at this point to be credible when it comes to your analysis of what is going on. You seem good with the bare facts but your analyses range from spot on to off the wall.

[panthers55]

3 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Based on what?  You haven't seen any of these players on the field together so how can you proclaim that it was great?  

You keep going back to Dave and your hatred for his decisions when I never interjected him into the conversation in the first place.   Talk about bias.

And for the record, I challenge you to find one post from me that proclaims any signing or draft pick of Dave's as him doing a great job.  And I challenge you to produce one fact that says he was fired over the Norman ordeal.

Too many of you guys want to proclaim success or failure before you even see how it plays out.  It takes several years to accurately evaluate a draft and that is even if you know how the coaches chose to develop and utilize these players.  Sitting on your couch, in the stands or in the booth watching doesn't qualify you as a talent expert.

You use the word hate not me. I liked Gettleman and respected the job he did getting us out of cap hell and he had good success when he brought in Mitchell and Ginn among others. Ironically his early success was one factor in his undoing. He did so well out of the box he got a big head and his ego interfered with his business sense and his tendency to take negotiations personally as a win- lose proposition.

Again Hurney has done his job so far listening to his coaches and getting them the players they wanted.  Now it up to the coaches to mold the players into a team. If our players underperform the buck stops with the GM but truthfully it should be the coaches or players getting the boot first.