Turner wants Newton to be more consistent

[Pup McBarky]

1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:

And it still holds truth till today. Rivera will always sacrifice the offense if it means helping out his defense.

I'm sure you believe that. I'm also sure you have no idea what you're talking about.

[KB_fan]

Was surprised by the difference in those 2017 huddle vs no huddle stats.

Does anyone have access to 2015 or 2016 data?  There have been times when Cam seemed to thrive on no huddle, but perhaps it is just selective memory making me think we were better in no huddle than the stats show.

[Pup McBarky]

30 minutes ago, KB_fan said:

Was surprised by the difference in those 2017 huddle vs no huddle stats.

Does anyone have access to 2015 or 2016 data?  There have been times when Cam seemed to thrive on no huddle, but perhaps it is just selective memory making me think we were better in no huddle than the stats show.

Not sure where those stats came from, but you can get all kinds of stats from here: nflsavant.com

[Pup McBarky]

Just now, Pup McBarky said:

Not sure where those stats came from, but you can get all kinds of stats from here: nflsavant.com

Sorry, not sure how that link got inserted there. http://nflsavant.com

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, Pup McBarky said:

I'm sure you believe that. I'm also sure you have no idea what you're talking about.

Truth hurts

[SingleMalt]

20 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

The goal you shoot for is certainly to be consistently great (ala Aaron Rodgers) but sometimes you have to choose a lesser option.

Will that be the case with Newton? Unknown, but I agree it's better for him if he's not forced to be both the quarterback and the running game.

The thing about gunslinger types is that they do have a tendency to ride rollercoasters, and efforts to take them off of those rollercoasters and put them on the ferris wheel don't always succeed. Sometimes you wind up putting them on the merry-go-round instead. That's what happened in some past seasons with efforts to make more consistent quarterbacks out of guys like Brett Favre and even Jake Delhomme.

All that said, Norv Turner has a track record that shows he knows what he's doing.

I'm hoping this produces the desired results.

First time Ive read a post on the Huddle and ended with an over whelming desire for a funnel cake and a candied apple

[RumHam]

I'm kinda on the fence about trying to change cam. Norv should be adapting to what he does and not vice versa. Cam should be Cam and we just need receivers that don't drop passes or run bad routes. He did finally start realizing he could check down later last year. But quick passes could be an issue. He still needs to be able to run. Norv just needs to not call retarded plays in important situations and not be predictable.

[thefuzz]

Cam is a great one, but does have his "off" days...like most QB's in the NFL.  There are very few consistently spectacular one's these days.

Rodgers, Brees, Brady.  You know exactly what you are going to get from those guys every single game.

Then you have the next tier, the ones who are almost always good, and many times great...but they will throw you a curveball every now and again.  That's where Cam is....along with Rivers, Ben, Wilson, Ryan, etc....

Then you have the next tier IMO.  The good QB's...average to above average...but normally can't "take over a game"...Cousins, Winston, Carr, etc.....

As I have stated many times on this board, if we can iron out some of Cam's inconsistencies in the passing game, he will become unstoppable.  Mike Vick was never able to do that, Steve Young was.  We don't need Cam to be as accurate, or as consistent as Brady and Brees, as he can do things they can't dream of...but a little closer and we have something special.

I'm of the belief that Cam is probably at the point in his career that he can make that very small adjustment that Favre never seemed to be able to do.

[Peppers90 NC]

16 hours ago, panthers55 said:

2017 season

# of no huddle plays 103. Rush 40. passes 61.   2 sacks?

Passing with the no huddle we were 29/61 for a completion rate of 47.5% yards per attempt 4.7 and a QB rating of 59.7.

Compare this with using the huddle which we did 925 times. We passed 264/440 for a 60% rate average yards per attempt was 6.4 and a QB rating of 79.5.

Now tell me why we don't use the no huddle all the time and why Rivera uses it more sparingly. Teams track these stats weekly and game plan. accordingly.

Instead of all the crazy theories why not look at the facts instead. Unless that would ruin all the baseless speculation.

 

Wow I would have not have predicted those numbers. Perception rarely matches reality. I was thinking of 2015 more when I was thinking about the success of the no-huddle.

[Peppers90 NC]

16 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Neither of them are good, the only difference is that the only time we use the no huddle is in desperation. 

Good point, more what I was thinking. It's different when you are doing to change tempo rather than having to score on a drive to end a half or game.

[ladypanther]

1 hour ago, RumHam said:

I'm kinda on the fence about trying to change cam. Norv should be adapting to what he does and not vice versa. Cam should be Cam and we just need receivers that don't drop passes or run bad routes. He did finally start realizing he could check down later last year. But quick passes could be an issue. He still needs to be able to run. Norv just needs to not call retarded plays in important situations and not be predictable.

Norv said in that interview (on Sirius this week), that he wanted to give Cam some higher percentage throws...and he wanted to focus on Cam's strengths and cater to what he does well.  Does not sound like he wants to change him...just make a better plan to set him up for success.

[Tomcatn]

31 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Norv said in that interview (on Sirius this week), that he wanted to give Cam some higher percentage throws...and he wanted to focus on Cam's strengths and cater to what he does well.  Does not sound like he wants to change him...just make a better plan to set him up for success.

This^^ All we can do as fans is hope that what Norv wants to do with Cam comes to fruition.

[Pup McBarky]

18 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Now tell me why we don't use the no huddle all the time and why Rivera uses it more sparingly.

Not sure who thinks we should use the no huddle all the time, but it isn't me. The no huddle is a weapon like any other, with which one may conquer the enemy or shoot oneself in the foot. Norv, I suspect, is a better wielder of such a weapon, particular one that happens to have a rather unique ingredient (a 6' 4" 260 lb QB who runs faster than most LBs and many DBs), than Shula ever was, despite the success of 2015. Part of using any weapon on a football field is avoiding becoming predictable.

I think 10% is too infrequent and would suggest 20-25% of our offensive plays come from the no-huddle, but they have to be executed at the right time. Doing it only at the end of halves or games is too predictable. With Cam in the shotgun, the opportunity to create mismatches all over the field is just too good to pass up. We definitely need to use it more than last year.

[Moo Daeng]

1 hour ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Wow I would have not have predicted those numbers. Perception rarely matches reality. I was thinking of 2015 more when I was thinking about the success of the no-huddle.

It's quite common that folks regurgitate things after it gets mentioned a few times and then assume its fact without any critical thought. Once upon a time their may have been some truth to it...if even for one game. It may have been 4 years ago.