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M.Kalill should be a back up from this point on.

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Trying to force this guy to handle a starting role is ridiculous. He is a backup at best even if healthy and they should treat this situation as so. Richardson forced this on the team to make his brother happy and overpaid big time. 

He is a backup....period. They need to move forward and find a starter to fill that role. Enough of this smoke and mirrors BS. Whatever they do...trade, draft picks or if D.Williams come back in six weeks....that guy needs to take a seat.

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7 minutes ago, Jmac said:

that guy needs to take a seat.

If Moton and Sirles do reasonably well, I think they may do this going into the Dallas game. They can couch it in terms of "being cautious" if they want, I don't really care as long as the 5 best OL are out there the majority of the time. We'll just have to use Armah and Thomas to help out and disguise some things really well. As another poster said, thank God we have Norv and not Shula with this mess.

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17 minutes ago, Jmac said:

Trying to force this guy to handle a starting role is ridiculous. He is a backup at best even if healthy and they should treat this situation as so. Richardson forced this on the team to make his brother happy and overpaid big time. 

He is a backup....period. They need to move forward and find a starter to fill that role. Enough of this smoke and mirrors BS. Whatever they do...trade, draft picks or if D.Williams come back in six weeks....that guy needs to take a seat.

Just curious?  Why is this a Richardson decision?  Did he make public comments or something? 

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6 minutes ago, Udogg said:

Just curious?  Why is this a Richardson decision?  Did he make public comments or something? 

My feelings are that Richardson put his two cents in and wanted it done, regardless of other descending opinions. Hurney was always a yes man, but D.G would have pushed back. Has Richardson's paws all over it.

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7 minutes ago, Udogg said:

Just curious?  Why is this a Richardson decision?  Did he make public comments or something? 

The Matt Kalil move reeks of the same stink that was the re-signing of the core of a 2-14 team way back when where JR most definitely had his hand in the company cookie jar as things unfolded. 

Based on Hurney 2.0 moves, it seems like those were all JR moves and Kalil's signing seemed like a move to appease Ryan instead of making the team better because it was such an out of character signing for Gettleman to make. 

Of course, it could all be conjecture and Gettleman could have been gaga over M. Kalil for no reason and it's all wishful thinking from Gettleman homers. 

Probably a little bit of both, but either way, the move itself feels like a JR move if that makes sense. 

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3 minutes ago, Jmac said:

My feelings are that Richardson put his two cents in and wanted it done, regardless of other descending opinions. Hurney was always a yes man, but D.G would have pushed back. Has Richardson's paws all over it.

You are aware that this signing was while DG was our GM, right? That pretty much runs counter to your theory. JR might have had input but DG signed that deal and also publicly glowed about Matt after the signing. I don't think that means the conspiracy theory regarding JR forcing this move on Gettleman is very likely. Dave just made another in about a 2-3 year stretch of some pretty rough roster decisions. 

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5 minutes ago, Jmac said:

My feelings are that Richardson put his two cents in and wanted it done, regardless of other descending opinions. Hurney was always a yes man, but D.G would have pushed back. Has Richardson's paws all over it.

Wasn't this a Gettleman signing?   How was Richardson involved?  I'm missing something apparently? 

Seems to me, the only things "forced" on Gettleman was the Greg Olsen , TD signings.   And we see how that ended. 

From the Josh Norman debacle , I don't think Gettleman was forced into anything type of person,  even at the end he was probably like, either let me do it my way or fire me.  JR chose the later. 

Probably why it took him so long to be a GM.  He was a , if I'm in charge let me buy the groceries guy.   

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

You are aware that this signing was while DG was our GM, right? That pretty much runs counter to your theory. JR might have had input but DG signed that deal and also publicly glowed about Matt after the signing. I don't think that means the conspiracy theory regarding JR forcing this move on Gettleman is very likely. Dave just made another in about a 2-3 year stretch of some pretty rough roster decisions. 

I'm aware D.G was here. I still feel that the old man forced his hand. D.G may have not agreed to this, but his opinion didn't matter. May be some of the reason he was fired, along with other push backs against the owner.

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I'm aware D.G was here. I still feel that the old man forced his hand. D.G may have not agreed to this, but his opinion didn't matter. May be some of the reason he was fired, along with other push backs against the owner.

What leads you to believe that? Did Richardson control his good moves? I'm going to assume Jerry also told him to drive away Gross and cut ties with Norman as well. Probably forced Russell Sheppard on us too. Poor Gettleman.

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1 minute ago, Jmac said:

I'm aware D.G was here. I still feel that the old man forced his hand. D.G may have not agreed to this, but his opinion didn't matter. May be some of the reason he was fired, along with other push backs against the owner.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/scott-fowler/article140628893.html

I am going to just have to flatly disagree with that take. Gettleman was pretty clear in his comments that he was a more than willing participant in that signing. I could buy that JR meddled to get Olsen and TD back but it is highly unlikely he forced DG into this deal, unless DG was as much of a yes man Hurney was. I don't see much in the way of pride if DG talked to the media like that after JR bullied him into making a roster decision.

Regardless, we are much better off without JR and DG.

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