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MMQB on CMC and Turner's offense


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https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/05/christian-mccaffrey-role-red-zone-receiver-running-back-panthers-offense-norv-turner
 

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It’s good to be McCaffrey, especially here and now. The tinkering being done to the Panthers offense could remove the cinder blocks off their most unique stars. New coordinator Norv Turner doesn’t see a problem with Cam Newton running again. And while he recoils at the LaDainian Tomlinson comparisons for McCaffrey, it’s clear he envisions a player who can knife a defense open on every down.

Turner talked up McCaffrey’s nose for running the ball in the red zone—a hint that he might take on a goal-line role now that Jonathan Stewart is gone. When asked if he was good enough to be an NFL receiver exclusively coming out of college: “He’s an outstanding route runner,” Turner says. “Outstanding. He’s a really good running back, really good at running the ball out of the backfield. He’s very versatile in terms of his style, and that’s what is going to make him hard to defend.”

The typically insular Panthers moved outside the organization for a new coordinator this offseason, in part to try and maximize the remainder of Newton’s prime. While only 29, a quarterback can only chuck fastballs while pulling off Jim Brown-like escapes for so long. They added D.J. Moore, a first-round pick, at receiver, and dotted the offense with speed and size to create mismatches.

 

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The old system wasn’t discussed much this summer, and it didn’t have to be. There was enough of a difference that players—especially McCaffrey—have been buried in the install.

“There’s so many things I’ve learned already,” McCaffrey says. “Just specific little details about protections, specific routes. I’m able to see things before they happen and I’m just working really hard on continuing to get better at the little things. [Turner] is such a good coach and we have so many great weapons on this team, so he’s going to utilize everyone.”

 

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Turner acknowledges that he won’t survive on recall alone in Carolina. McCaffrey and Newton represent something he’s never had before, which means coming up with something he’s never done. He is not yet exhausted from a summer of watching old Panthers tape, having long conversations with the Stanford football staff on how to best incorporate McCaffrey, and blending in notes he made during a season away in 2017. “The creative part of it is always fun,” he says.

 

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1 minute ago, WCUcats said:

I think it was pretty clear that hula Shula was Gettleman's guy, not Rivera's guy considering shula went to NY. 

 

no, Rivera had full control over his coaches

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Rivera was asked whether decisions on his assistant coaches were exclusively his or if general manager Dave Gettleman had a say in the direction of the staff.

“That’s mine,” Rivera said.

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article123833934.html

 

 
 
 
 
 
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I'm incredibly curious to see how many carries CMC gets in game 1

In addition, I wonder if Norv will actually call some toss plays, for whatever reason we never see toss plays implemented in our offense (I can recall just a few times when Stewart got tossed to unsuccessfully).

Cowboys Dline definitely aren't scrubs and I hope we're not going to be allowing a lot of backfield penetration like the first few games last year. CMC doesn't have the power to break through 4 different dudes all trying to bring him down in the backfield at the same time. 

Hell even Stew in his prime couldn't do that. If you get essentially dogpiled on before you can get to the line of scrimmage as a RB, thats a huge problem. 

I think we'll be good if CMC is consistently getting past the dline on the quality of our o line blocks, we know hes great at out maneuvering or just running past  LBs when hes getting to the 2nd level 

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I totally get the excitement of CMC/Turner and this new offense.

But as Capt. Morgan's post earlier pointed out I really think people are totally discounting what CJ can bring to this offense and what he can do against defenses.  Especially if they are keyed up on CMC

 

 

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31 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Again, Shula was here before Gettleman. I seem to remember discussion of Gettleman wanting to get rid of him and Ron stopping it before Gettleman was fired. Shula wasn’t let go with Gettleman either. 

Voth confirmed that Rivera was pressured to fire both Shula and Ken Dorsey but "put himself on the line" to protect them.

Man, if only...

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4 hours ago, Cary Kollins said:

shame on Rivera not getting rid of Shula much sooner

Before you let someone go you need to have a feel for who would replace them and confidence they will be an improvement.  I think that is what he was waiting for.

I know what you are going to say to that.....but...what is great about Norv is that he is not completely changing the offense.  He is improving it.  Hard to find that.

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