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Is this the only reasonable path forward for Cam ?

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I think it is if he wants to remain a top NFL quarterback.  After 2 seasons of shoulder problems, which by the way were WORSE this year than last, JMO but I see it as the best way forward.  

Two questions. 

How bad does Cam want it - is he ready to get on with his life after the NFL ?  I have to wonder if he isn't ready to hang it up and do something else.

Will the Panthers stick with him ? -  A full missed season and then no guarantee of success at the end of that  - will the Panthers simply decide to cut bait and move on ?

From a well written ESPN article some key points  - sounds exactly what Cam needs to have a good chance at full recovery.

 

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It was about this time a year ago when Indianapolis Colts quarterback Andrew Luck returned from his six-week stay in the Netherlands where he had been receiving treatment on his surgically repaired right shoulder.

It was during his time there that his frustration grew because the pain persisted. He had fallen into a place he had never been in in all his years of football: Luck wondered if he would be able to continue playing.

As good as he is and as intelligent as he is, he had every right to wonder what was next. He had been dealing with pain and setbacks with his right shoulder for more than two years. wondered if he would be able to continue playing.

 

Sound like someone we know ?

 

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Luck learned to lean on others and embraced the challenge of returning instead of running away from it. He retooled his throwing motion and was paired with a head coach who played his position in the NFL. Luck also allowed himself a perk that might not seem like a big deal to some -- to start having fun again. It was something he rarely let himself do early in his career.

 

Can  Cam " retool" ?  He has had bad mechanics from the start of his career here.  Can he will himself to make adjustments to his footwork and throwing motion that will ensure he doesn't " throw his shoulder out again"?  And - Cam was having a good time early in the season.  But to my eyes he hasn't been the same Cam for the last couple of years as far as how much he is actually " enjoying" himself.  His Instagram note after the season validates my point.  Finally can Rivera be the coach that Cam needs to make a comeback ?  Or is he too set in his ways and hardheaded to make the adjustments that need to be made?

 

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Quarterbacks coach Marcus Brady said early on that Luck "never felt like he was comfortable dropping back and throwing" or in the pocket. That happens when you lose strength, lose some confidence in your shoulder and don't play in a game for nearly two years.

"He didn't feel comfortable doing the little things like handing the ball off," Brady said. "Everything felt new to him. Felt like you had to start right at the beginning again with him. Starting with the footwork, technique, the feeling of being surrounded again. We started from zero and worked all the way up again. He had a year off."

Do we have the staff on this team to help Cam start from ground zero ?  I have to believe that Tepper is no fool - and he certainly has the resources to get whoever and whatever is needed to get Newtons shoulder healthy.   After 2 days of meetings with the staff there had to be a meeting of the minds on the way forward.  I guess it is up to Cam and Tepper as to which way it will go.  And we will find out sometime in the next couple months if it is going to be more of the past two seasons, or anew approach.

more of a very good article 

http://www.espn.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/24102/inside-andrew-lucks-comeback-season-for-the-ages

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2 hours ago, Paa Langfart said:

paired with a head coach who played his position in the NFL

I think I found a problem with the formula above as it relates to Cam.

Cam doesn't have a head coach that wants to help him develop, he has a head coach that wants to use him up to hide his own coaching incompetence.

Oh, and Cam's current head coach also wouldn't mind "taking a shot" at him too every once in a while.

For the above to happen, Cam would need total encouragement and support from within the organization, top to bottom.  Ron "I would have taken a shot too" Rivera and David "Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney are exactly who I was looking for" Tepper are turds in that punch's recipe.

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Cam doesnt have the right coaches to help in through the correct process. I mean Rivera waited till year 8 to get him.a competent OC. This really does suck and gonna be one of those things we look back on a couple years from now and wonder how we squandered a generational talent with this coaching staff. 

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Well, I hate comparing Cam to Luck (especially in a decidedly negative manner), and I have vociferously defended him during such comparisons in the past, yet here we are.

I will say that Luck got his weapons, and now he has his protection (in less time). Damned can't say that for Cam. I hope it's not too late. Could be though.

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1 hour ago, tiger7_88 said:

I think I found a problem with the formula above as it relates to Cam.

Cam doesn't have a head coach that wants to help him develop, he has a head coach that wants to use him up to hide his own coaching incompetence.

Oh, and Cam's current head coach also wouldn't mind "taking a shot" at him too every once in a while.

For the above to happen, Cam would need total encourage and support from within the organization, top to bottom.  Ron "I would have taken a shot too" Rivera and David "Ron Rivera and Marty Hurney are exactly who I was looking for" Tepper are turds in that punch's recipe.

I think Cam's future was mortgaged for the good of Ron.  Well said.

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At 30, all those years under the Rivera-Shula-Dorsey Hierarchy were wasted time.  He needed a coach to bring him along, and he did not get it.  That is why we are in the situation we are.  We wasted a QB, if you ask me.  Yes, Cam won some games, etc.  But when Cam was being brutally hit in the head and slammed, Rivera did not say enough about it and did not say it loud enough.

Rivera is going to take care of Rivera.

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1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

At 30, all those years under the Rivera-Shula-Dorsey Hierarchy were wasted time.  He needed a coach to bring him along, and he did not get it.  That is why we are in the situation we are.  We wasted a QB, if you ask me.  Yes, Cam won some games, etc.  But when Cam was being brutally hit in the head and slammed, Rivera did not say enough about it and did not say it loud enough.

Rivera is going to take care of Rivera.

Agreed.

Rivera makes me sick.

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It's crazy to me how Ron manages to survive. Everybody else leaves or dismissed, he's sill here. There were rumors that Tepper wanted Tomlin fired, but I'm starting to doubt those rumors.

To address the mechanics and throwing motion, Cam had Shula/Dorsey last year right? Why didn't his arm tire out last year? I'm sorry but I don't believe that's the issue. That's something people like to point out there cause they don't know about his injury, it's lazy analysis. Cam arm tired out cause it used it all offseason, working out like crazy. The year before he didn't use it, they were very careful all throughout the year. That's the only difference between 2017 and 2018. The hit in Pittsburgh game didn't help. Now we're going on 2 years since the injury, either the soreness is getting better or not

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27 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

At 30, all those years under the Rivera-Shula-Dorsey Hierarchy were wasted time.  He needed a coach to bring him along, and he did not get it.  That is why we are in the situation we are.  We wasted a QB, if you ask me.  Yes, Cam won some games, etc.  But when Cam was being brutally hit in the head and slammed, Rivera did not say enough about it and did not say it loud enough.

Rivera is going to take care of Rivera.

I would say we are in the situation we are in because Oline was ignored for 8 years.

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4 hours ago, Paa Langfart said:

I think it is if he wants to remain a top NFL quarterback.  After 2 seasons of shoulder problems, which by the way were WORSE this year than last, JMO but I see it as the best way forward.  

Two questions. 

How bad does Cam want it - is he ready to get on with his life after the NFL ?  I have to wonder if he isn't ready to hang it up and do something else.

Will the Panthers stick with him ? -  A full missed season and then no guarantee of success at the end of that  - will the Panthers simply decide to cut bait and move on ?

From a well written ESPN article some key points  - sounds exactly what Cam needs to have a good chance at full recovery.

 

 

Sound like someone we know ?

 

 

Can  Cam " retool" ?  He has had bad mechanics from the start of his career here.  Can he will himself to make adjustments to his footwork and throwing motion that will ensure he doesn't " throw his shoulder out again"?  And - Cam was having a good time early in the season.  But to my eyes he hasn't been the same Cam for the last couple of years as far as how much he is actually " enjoying" himself.  His Instagram note after the season validates my point.  Finally can Rivera be the coach that Cam needs to make a comeback ?  Or is he too set in his ways and hardheaded to make the adjustments that need to be made?

 

Do we have the staff on this team to help Cam start from ground zero ?  I have to believe that Tepper is no fool - and he certainly has the resources to get whoever and whatever is needed to get Newtons shoulder healthy.   After 2 days of meetings with the staff there had to be a meeting of the minds on the way forward.  I guess it is up to Cam and Tepper as to which way it will go.  And we will find out sometime in the next couple months if it is going to be more of the past two seasons, or anew approach.

more of a very good article 

http://www.espn.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/24102/inside-andrew-lucks-comeback-season-for-the-ages

That’s up to Cam—

the whole lead the horse to water bit,..

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3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

At 30, all those years under the Rivera-Shula-Dorsey Hierarchy were wasted time.  He needed a coach to bring him along, and he did not get it.  That is why we are in the situation we are.  We wasted a QB, if you ask me.  Yes, Cam won some games, etc.  But when Cam was being brutally hit in the head and slammed, Rivera did not say enough about it and did not say it loud enough.

Rivera is going to take care of Rivera.

Dude went to the Superbowl and didnt show up. This organization put him in position.

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8 minutes ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Dude went to the Superbowl and didnt show up. This organization put him in position.

I was talking about his mechanics.  He never started growing/developing until this season--and that could have been out of necessity.  He matured a lot, but he never fixed the footwork that led to high throws and erratic passing.  He was streaky and had a low passer rating.  Between 2014 and 2017, his completion percentage started with a 5.

He wasted his prime on Shula/Dorsey who did not develop a player with all the potential to be great---and if the organization put him in position in the Super Bowl, did the organization also put Mike Remmers in position? 

Any organization (if yo do math) should appear in the Super Bowl once every 16 years.  The Panthers are basically adhering to that formula--law of averages. There are many factors that determine whether or not you make the Super Bowl--Schedule, turnovers, injuries, etc. 

 

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