Can Someone Please Explain to Me Why The Carolina Panthers Always Have Minimal Cap Space to Work With for Free Agency?

[shulasmyhero]

29 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  They had no choice. It was either 7.5M More coming off the top last year, and would already be gone or spread it out like he did. So it saved 7.5M last year. The only “option” in that bonus was how it went against the cap. He was getting it no matter what.

  If it’s a “don’t kid yourself” certainty, tell us what options he had. What should he have done? This should be easy. Please be as specific as possible. 

they didn't save anything...

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/26/panthers-change-matt-kalils-contract-but-get-no-cap-savings/

[Toomers]

7 hours ago, shulasmyhero said:

they didn't save anything...

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/26/panthers-change-matt-kalils-contract-but-get-no-cap-savings/

And it didn’t cost anything extra. It just gave us 7.5M to work with last year and moving forward. That’s it. It was coming off sooner or later. Every GM chooses later.  So what should Hurney have done. Eat it all at once last year? 

   What about his decision hurt the team? Where’s the blunder? I continue to kid myself. 

[L-TownCat]

See it went like this...

Hurney.

 

the end

[shulasmyhero]

59 minutes ago, Toomers said:

And it didn’t cost anything extra. It just gave us 7.5M to work with last year and moving forward. That’s it. It was coming off sooner or later. Every GM crosses later.  So what should Hurney have done. Eat it all at once last year? 

   What about his decision hurt the team? Where’s the blunder? I continue to kid myself. 

I got it wrong.  Hurney has made many mistakes as a GM over the years, this wasn't one of them. 

My recollection was in the moment at the time, never heard/saw another conclusion.  Looking back now at the contract and the terminology it was the only real option. 

I admit it, I got sucked into the twittersphere judgement at the time on this one. 

[ladypanther]

8 hours ago, RumHam said:

This is also why i'm open to tanking the season if Cam can't do it. Let that poo run out and let him walk. Do not overpay for a backup QB when we could have a top pick. Let some young talent get experience and these shitty contracts run out. If we can get a decent corner and move jackson to nickel, we can let captain walk. Torrey needs to walk, badly.

Just curious if people advocating for tanking a season are psl owners or even pay for tickets to go to a game.

[Krovvy]

This is too funny reading these same posters peddle conspiracy theories to revoke Gettleman's biggest mistakes. Check out the Giants subreddit and read their opinions on the many overpaid bust signings from last off-season, and then seriously tell me there's a difference.

This is hilarious.

[Don137]

37 MM in Dlinemen Short, Poe and Addision. None played well enough last year to earn that much this year. They better play better this year to justify that coin.

[tiger7_88]

50 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Just curious if people advocating for tanking a season are psl owners or even pay for tickets to go to a game.

I'm from Georgia and live outside of ATL, so I'm not a season ticket or psl owner.

But I am a season ticket/psl owner of my college team.

And there's nothing that pisses me off more than mediocrity year after year after year.  Yeah, a losing season sucks, but if managed properly should convince the people in charge of the program that its time for a RE-SET, not just time to put fresh paint on rotting wood.

Both really good and really bad seasons can motivate to future improvement and positive results (I would argue that a really bad season is the *best* motivator, because one can become careless if winning comes too easy).  If all one is satisfied with is mediocrity, then that's all you'll ever get.

[PantherPhann89]

14 hours ago, Toomers said:

Hurney did nothing but what he was supposed to do. He’s the only person that is free of blame for that contract. So far. 

 Now if they do something ignorant like keeping and paying him more, than that’s on Hurney. 

I said: Yeah,  "I think Hurney was trying and did free up money with that restructure. It wouldn't be as much of a hit to cut him this year. But as much as it is, it may be best to keep him and still sign someone else. Naaaaa" 

Your response to my post doesn't make sense...

[Harbingers]

@Hoenheim

I got two words for you. “Marty Hurney”. That is the reason in its entirety.

[Toomers]

9 minutes ago, PantherPhann89 said:

I said: Yeah,  "I think Hurney was trying and did free up money with that restructure. It wouldn't be as much of a hit to cut him this year. But as much as it is, it may be best to keep him and still sign someone else. Naaaaa" 

Your response to my post doesn't make sense...

The first word Yeah implies agreement with a theory that has already been proven wrong. In this thread. 

 Then compound by thinking it’s a good idea to keep him and pay him more. My response doesn’t make sense to you because you don’t understand what you’re talking about. 

[ladypanther]

2 hours ago, tiger7_88 said:

I'm from Georgia and live outside of ATL, so I'm not a season ticket or psl owner.

But I am a season ticket/psl owner of my college team.

And there's nothing that pisses me off more than mediocrity year after year after year.  Yeah, a losing season sucks, but if managed properly should convince the people in charge of the program that its time for a RE-SET, not just time to put fresh paint on rotting wood.

Both really good and really bad seasons can motivate to future improvement and positive results (I would argue that a really bad season is the *best* motivator, because one can become careless if winning comes too easy).  If all one is satisfied with is mediocrity, then that's all you'll ever get.

So...if you paid a lot of money for Panther season tickets....plus the money for parking...plus the tailgate expense....you would be fine with tanking the season.  

[carpanfan96]

22 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Capt  and Kalil can create $10m in post June 1 cuts.

Smith---with Cam not being  able to throw 30 yards, he was worthless.

no, his base salary was 11m fully guaranteed last season if the option bonus wasnt used and 1m if it was used. All Hurney did was take the option bonus and turn it into a signing bonus. Only thing that does different compared to an option is allows team to get money back if the player retires. 

[carpanfan96]

6 hours ago, shulasmyhero said:

they didn't save anything...

https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2018/02/26/panthers-change-matt-kalils-contract-but-get-no-cap-savings/

Actually that and most articles are based on it just being an option bonus. which isn't the case, it was an option bonus that reverted to fully guaranteed salary if not used. not using the option at all would have costed the Panthers an additional 7.5m against the cap last season. 

 

the numbers reported on his contract were wrong and it was much worse then originally described.