Ron ranked in top 10 of NFL head coaches

[Basbear]

Just to add I liked Ron better when had Steve Wilks, Sean Mcdermott, Jim Skipper, and Ray Brown on his staff. He looked a lot smarter, just like when he replacement Shula with Turner. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

I'd wager this ^^^ is as good an argument as any so far for dismissing the original post in this thread.

[NanuqoftheNorth]

55 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Not really. The OP post is subjective at best but is based on context. The defensive rankings are based on relative rankings without context. So while both could be erroneous they are not based on similar concepts at all.  But it is true that neither of them could be right or irrefutable. Honestly I like the stat comparing points for versus points against differential which gives context in the one stat that matters.

Most of the Rivera quotes in the article seem to revolve around him admitting he was too slow to react to what was happening as the Panthers season went into free fall and getting away from what he does best as a coach.  The writer of the article attempts to justify his ranking of Ron by making "a succinct assessment of his tenure as head coach of the Panthers: "12-4 is never far away in Carolina. Neither is 7-9".  All but pointing out the fact that Ron has only had 3 winning seasons in 8 years, none of which are back to back.  Attempting to bolster what little evidence there is for his generous ranking, Daugherty goes on to predict next season should be better for Ron than this last one.

Quite possibly one of the most tepid endorsements of a coach ever written. 

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, NanuqoftheNorth said:

Most of the Rivera quotes in the article seem to revolve around him admitting he was too slow to react to what was happening as the Panthers season went into free fall and getting away from what he does best as a coach.  The writer of the article attempts to justify his ranking of Ron by making "a succinct assessment of his tenure as head coach of the Panthers: "12-4 is never far away in Carolina. Neither is 7-9".  All but pointing out the fact that Ron has only had 3 winning seasons in 8 years, none of which are back to back.  Attempting to bolster what little evidence there is for his generous ranking, Daugherty goes on to predict next season should be better for Ron than this last one.

Quite possibly one of the most tepid endorsements of a coach ever written. 

I sure hope he is right about 2019. Last year was really depressing especially after starting off 6-2. I don't think I can keep doing the walk of shame out of BOA and other stadiums like the end of last year. 

[CPcavedweller]

On 3/5/2019 at 12:01 PM, Cary Kollins said:

“The trick is avoiding a 2020 comedown”

 

God so true. Rivera sucks and is only still a HC because of Cam Newton

Really? Rivera is a top of the line defensive mind and a great motivator. You all want an offensive minded coach, and that is to be expected after having John Fox and Ron Rivera since 2002 but he is a quality coach. 

Cam's shoulder is what held us back last season. I'd say that releasing Anderson was one if the bigger mistakes we've made because he could've started 8 games for us last season and been much more effective because he could get the ball deep. If we missed the playoffs, oh well, we were'nt going with an injured Cam anyway and we only delayed his recovery efforts for 2019.

[Cary Kollins]

6 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

Really? Rivera is a top of the line defensive mind and a great motivator. You all want an offensive minded coach, and that is to be expected after having John Fox and Ron Rivera since 2002 but he is a quality coach. 

Cam's shoulder is what held us back last season. I'd say that releasing Anderson was one if the bigger mistakes we've made because he could've started 8 games for us last season and been much more effective because he could get the ball deep. If we missed the playoffs, oh well, we were'nt going with an injured Cam anyway and we only delayed his recovery efforts for 2019.

 

The panthers were ranked dead last in total defense over the first five games of the losing streak last season.

Is that the work of a top defensive coach?

Also it’s pretty clear Rivera is part of the reason Cam’s shoulder is as bad as it is. Trotting him out in meaningless games in 2016 all because Cam wouldn’t pull himself out. Rivera’s excuse, “well, I asked Cam and he said he wanted to play.” He did the same thing this season until people started questioning if Tepper would have to step in. What an idiot. 

Now we at least have an owner that gives a damn about winning and bringing this franchise into the 21st century, bringing analytics into the game and forcing the team to hire a game manager due to Rivera’s incompetence.

Rivera would make a fine defensive coordinator, which he will resemble more next year anyway.

[raz]

58 minutes ago, Cary Kollins said:

 

The panthers were ranked dead last in total defense over the first five games of the losing streak last season.

Is that the work of a top defensive coach?

Also it’s pretty clear Rivera is part of the reason Cam’s shoulder is as bad as it is. Trotting him out in meaningless games in 2016 all because Cam wouldn’t pull himself out. Rivera’s excuse, “well, I asked Cam and he said he wanted to play.” He did the same thing this season until people started questioning if Tepper would have to step in. What an idiot. 

Now we at least have an owner that gives a damn about winning and bringing this franchise into the 21st century, bringing analytics into the game and forcing the team to hire a game manager due to Rivera’s incompetence.

Rivera would make a fine defensive coordinator, which he will resemble more next year anyway.

well, you had me til you said tepper cares about winning.  not sure about that.

[Mr. Scot]

22 minutes ago, raz said:

well, you had me til you said tepper cares about winning.  not sure about that.

I do genuinely believe Tepper wants to win.

I also believe that, at least at this point, he has damn little idea how to do it.

What sucks about that: it's exactly the same feeling I had about Jerry Richardson.

[Cary Kollins]

1 hour ago, raz said:

well, you had me til you said tepper cares about winning.  not sure about that.

 

Well the changes he has forced Ron to implement have at least been better than sitting on his hands. I’ll give Tepper the benefit of the doubt that he knows more than I do with how to run his business, and I can understand not wanting to make drastic changes without going through one full offseason. 

[raz]

yeah but re-upping torey and the pub that's coming out to try and get people in favor of keeping kalil...  no benefit of the doubt for me, but i can respect that.

[thefuzz]

On 3/8/2019 at 9:10 AM, Cary Kollins said:

 

Well the changes he has forced Ron to implement have at least been better than sitting on his hands. I’ll give Tepper the benefit of the doubt that he knows more than I do with how to run his business, and I can understand not wanting to make drastic changes without going through one full offseason. 

What has he forced Ron to do so far?

To me it looks like Ron hasn't changed a thing...he is talking about being better, smarter, more diverse, whatever else he blabbers on about.....but we have seen no changes.

The closest thing has been promoting a yes man to "game manager" then the very next week saying that he sees us doing exactly what we have been doing moving forward.

Hurney isn't different, and neither is Ron.

[Cary Kollins]

8 hours ago, thefuzz said:

What has he forced Ron to do so far?

To me it looks like Ron hasn't changed a thing...he is talking about being better, smarter, more diverse, whatever else he blabbers on about.....but we have seen no changes.

The closest thing has been promoting a yes man to "game manager" then the very next week saying that he sees us doing exactly what we have been doing moving forward.

Hurney isn't different, and neither is Ron.

 

I mean I wasn’t in the room but the idea is he has forced Ron to take over defensive play calling, bringing in analytics, hiring a game manager and I’m sure there’s other stuff I’m missing. Those things alone are a start. 

[LxDunn]

On 3/5/2019 at 9:32 AM, top dawg said:

People say that Rivera throws his players under the bus, but I think that he just holds them more accountable than most.

Like I said before, I think he's a good coach still trying to learn to be great.

Be nice if he held himself accountable as well, he sucks.