Front options in the 3-4

[carpanfan96]

57 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

If we do go 3-4 (and evidence is mounting that we will go full bore rather than "hybrid) then I'm not sure that trend continues.

Also Carolina runs base defense more then just about anyone else in the NFL. around 50% of the time the last two seasons. 

[micnificent28]

If they are serious about this 3-4 thing then I think the devins bush and white would be in play in the draft.

[pantherclaw]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Fair enough, though I suspect the majority would probably put him at one of the OLB slots.

Not sure he can cover well enough.

[pantherclaw]

5 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

DE - Butler/Cox

NT - Poe

DE - Short

OLB - Addison

ILB - Thompson

ILB - Kuechly

OLB - Haynes

 

if I absolutely must pick. lol

That be my lineup too. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Honestly, I don't think Butler belongs in an NFL defense period, regards of the alignment.

[Moo Daeng]

5 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

He's 6-6 and 270 pounds, makes much more sense as a 3-4 end. He's got all the tangible traits you want in a 3-4 end. no idea about skill set but isnt that true with most of these transitions. I put Addison at OLB because he played that for Washington and got reps while in thier ps. 

Pretty small for a 3-4 DE. Most are 290 to 300 these days with the lighter ones about 285.

Put 20 lbs on him

[Moo Daeng]

15 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Not sure he can cover well enough.

That's not what they are really expected to do. Do you think Clowney and Peppers and Suggs were there for the coverage skills? 

Its Bleacher Report but very few of these rush OLB are good in coverage  

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2751169-nfl1000-ranking-the-top-3-4-outside-linebackers-from-2017-season#slide19

[Black&BlueBubba]

Here you go. 

DE - Butler/ Qualls

NT - Poe/ Hamilton

DE - Short/ Obada

OLB - Addison/ A. Williams  

 ILB - Thompson / A. Smith 

ILB - Kuechly 

OLB - Haynes / Cox. 

I think the Panthers have been hiding their intentions really well so far.  But there is some confusing personnel issues going on. They brought in Hamilton and Qualls who are 3-4 DL guys.  If we go to a full 3-4 don’t sleep on Qualls for DE. Played DE for Washington in college who runs a pure 3-4.   Everyone is raving about Khalen Saunders this year.  Qualls was the same kind of guy last year. He is explosive and can also do back flips.  Damn, I have a hard time getting my fat ass out of a chair anymore let alone a back flip.  

If we go to a full 3-4 I think will be Shaqs last year with us.  Not really a 3-4 ILB. I think he will get washed inside with the hog mollies.   A. Smith actually fits that role better. 

Also in a 3-4  J Carter has no role that I can see.   So I have no idea what the do with him.   Would have been better off getting the Tackle Crosby in the 5th last year if that’s the case  

A. Williams is a really raw kid but at 6’3” 247 he would fit a OLB.   But he would have to learn it.   He played MLB growing up and SLB for Detroit.  Decent prospect to develop but that may take a bit.  

Plus a lot of these guys would have to loose or gain a ton of weight   Then who knows how they will play .  

Im still on the fence about this if it is going to be a full 3-4 transition.   I think I like the hybrid idea a little better   But I also agree it’s easier to get 3-4 OLB’s all over the draft unlike 4-3 de’s that you have to be in the top 10 to get a good one.   Look at Zadarius Smith.  The Ravens got him in the 4th  at pick #122 and will turn around and get a 3rd rd comp for him after he leaves.  Haynes could turn out to be really good if we run a 3-4.   That’s how you retool a defense consistently.  

 

[pantherclaw]

14 hours ago, Moo Daeng said:

That's not what they are really expected to do. Do you think Clowney and Peppers and Suggs were there for the coverage skills? 

Its Bleacher Report but very few of these rush OLB are good in coverage  

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2751169-nfl1000-ranking-the-top-3-4-outside-linebackers-from-2017-season#slide19

Dismissing is bad. Lobs in the 3-4 are asked to cover. And Peppers was certainly better at it than most of his position. 

Asking somebody that was raw to begin with, and developing as a 4-3 end, to then be one of the edges in a 3-4 is a crazy challenge.  Rushing the passer should be a bit easier/more consistent though. 

[Mr. Scot]

9 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Dismissing is bad. Lobs in the 3-4 are asked to cover. And Peppers was certainly better at it than most of his position. 

Asking somebody that was raw to begin with, and developing as a 4-3 end, to then be one of the edges in a 3-4 is a crazy challenge.  Rushing the passer should be a bit easier/more consistent though. 

Defensive ends and even defensive tackes in a 3-4 are occasionally asked to cover a zone, especially in a zone blitz (which we run) but nobody puts a huge amount of stock in their ability. It's more an "element of surprise" sort of thing.

Ditto with 3-4 edge rushing linebackers.

[pantherclaw]

It's still about recognition, and responding.  

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, pantherclaw said:

It's still about recognition, and responding.  

More about responsibility.

Tackles occasionally go out for passes on trick plays but it doesn't happen often enough that I'm judging what tackle I want by how good he is at catching passes.

Back when we had Kevin Greene and Lamar Lathon we were running the Dick LeBeau style of zone blitz (3-4 alignment). Under Rivera we've been running the Jim Johnson version (4-3 alignment). Signs now are pointing to us going back to the LeBeau version, and if you remember Greene and Lathon's roles from back then, they weren't exactly doing a lot of coverage.

[ColumbusCounty]

I wouldn't sleep on Andre Smith and Marquis Haynes

Smith looked like TD-lite before his injury and Haynes is average with his hands in the dirt but has alot more potential in space IMO. 

Butler and KK would be ends with Poe at the nose. Keek and Shaq in the middle with Addison and Haynes on the outside with Smith subbing in. 

Jermaine Carter and Jared Norris???? Backup ILB ??