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Would you be willing to trade a 2020 pick for Rosen?

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Alright draftniks, college football aficionados and guys like me who fixate on the pros, does Josh Rosen have enough talent and potential to trade away a pick next year (e.g., a third), or perhaps a day three pick this year, as well as a day two pick next year? 

How do you think he looks (with his limited pro experience) compared to next year's QB class? 

I have to say, he is still damned intriguing to me from the little I've seen). He still has a lot to learn, but given the right situation and circumstances, he could (and maybe should) be in the same conversation as Mayfield and Darnold. 

Shoot!

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10 minutes ago, Jaxel said:

Yes, he is a better option than what's in the draft and if we could get him for anything less than a second it would a steal.

I heard that same argument for Clausen. Not that I think one Rosen will be a complete bust as Clausen was. But trading high future draft picks for players is dangerous. You may not have been a fan the last time Hurney started doing it but I remember it like it was yesterday. It ended with us winning 2 games. Be careful what you wish for. 

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2 minutes ago, jbland said:

I heard that same argument for Clausen. Not that I think one Rosen will be a complete bust as Clausen was. But trading high future draft picks for players is dangerous. You may not have been a fan the last time Hurney started doing it but I remember it like it was yesterday. It ended with us winning 2 games. Be careful what you wish for. 

Clausen was an unknown draft pick when we got him for a high second. Using a mid third rounder on a player who was just the number 7 pick in the draft last year and did show some semblance of talent through the year doesn't seem like a bad gamble to me, if we are playing the odds that is.

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45 minutes ago, Pantha-kun said:

Wouldnt do that unless cam cant throw far again and we wont know that till  a few games through the season 

Cam hasn't been right with the long ball since his first shoulder injury. I'm hoping for the best, but that's what we all must do, because we don't know. You hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. In.Mt mind, there is absolutely nothing wrong with thinking outside the box. Worst case scenario for me is that we help develop Rosen, and then perhaps "flip" him like the Pats did with Garropolo. Or, we get a comp pick (hopefully a third) at some point in the future...There are some better scenarios also...

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8 minutes ago, jbland said:

I heard that same argument for Clausen. Not that I think one Rosen will be a complete bust as Clausen was. But trading high future draft picks for players is dangerous. You may not have been a fan the last time Hurney started doing it but I remember it like it was yesterday. It ended with us winning 2 games. Be careful what you wish for. 

I guess you could argue that a third rounder is a "high" pick, but it's all relative to what you'd possibly be getting in return. I tend to agree with @Jaxel that it could be a steal. It could be highway robbery at the end of the day (or not). Just saying. There's a good chance, and certainly a much higher chance than Clausen. It's really two totally different situations. 

 

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I mean it makes some sense. We are looking at Grier who might cost us one of our thirds... He was a rookie who was behind a terrible offensive line with a defensive minded coach and receivers that couldn’t get much separation. Sitting behind Cam a few years and learning from Norv could either make him the qb of our future (while having a solid back up) or become a trade where we might get a 1st or 2nd for him if he looks the part.

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No.

Cam has earned the right to prove whether he can or cannot return to pre-injury form.

Drafting a guy as insurance can also be spun as drafting his backup and grooming him as potential trade bade.

Trading for a highly touted QB prospect 1 year removed from being a top 10 pick is essentially giving up on Cam. 

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53 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I guess you could argue that a third rounder is a "high" pick, but it's all relative to what you'd possibly be getting in return. I tend to agree with @Jaxel that it could be a steal. It could be highway robbery at the end of the day (or not). Just saying. There's a good chance, and certainly a much higher chance than Clausen. It's really two totally different situations. 

 

I may have missed where it was said a third-round pick. I was thinking first or second. For a third, its a gamble I would take considering our history of third-round draft picks. 

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10 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

No.

Cam has earned the right to prove whether he can or cannot return to pre-injury form.

Drafting a guy as insurance can also be spun as drafting his backup and grooming him as potential trade bade.

Trading for a highly touted QB prospect 1 year removed from being a top 10 pick is essentially giving up on Cam. 

Or it’s simply giving us options because we have ZERO idea what kind of contract Cam will be asking for. Who is to say he doesn’t want to be the highest paid player at that point? Do we really want to pay a guy that much of our cap?

This is also assuming Cam bounces back. I definitely want him to and all signs right now have me hopeful his shoulder is recovering on the timeline they hoped for. But nobody knows yet. A move for Rosen is Insurance, not a slap in the face to Cam.

With that said, I’d give up a 3rd this year and a 4th next year. I’m not giving up a 2020 2nd right now bc Cam could come out and his shoulder be F’d and our season go to hell. Which makes that 2nd rounder a possible top 5 pick.

 

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