Would you be willing to trade a 2020 pick for Rosen?

[mc52beast]

Didn’t really like Rosen coming out of college, guys from the West Coast rarely excel in the NFL. 

But i think that getting a guy like Grier will push Cam to be the very best that he can be. He has to know this year will dictate what his future is in Charlotte.

[TheRed]

20 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

He didn't say this year.

This goes back to my point of drafting a QB next year.

Let's stop trying to dumpster dive through another teams trash heap. Especially very bad teams. You would think this fanbase would finally learn from our past at some point, but nope.

[Waldo]

No. Everyone this year needs to prove they should be apart of the future of this team moving forward. Trading future draft picks away to do that would be a contradiction. There are legitimate questions about a few people for different reasons throughout the football side of the organization. They want to win, do it. You want to switch to a hybrid D, prove you can do it without excuses. If Cam isn't healthy, do something about it with what you have and make it work. If he is healthy, get someone who could at least survive a game and not lose it. A big fat hell no to trading picks next year to make it happen. 

I personally would rather not try and replace Cam if unhealthy with anything more than a stop gap til we had a shot at a franchise QB. If Rosen was such, we wouldn't be talking about being able to get him with a 2nd next year. There are too many teams that would give up more to get a shot at the hope of a QB answer on their team. Especially with a year of tape on him in the NFL, while still having 4 years under his rookie contract available, vs unknowns coming from College. 

[Ricky Spanish]

3 hours ago, MHS831 said:

I normally agree with you, but a 2020 third rounder or lower would be worth the price. I am not seeing the signs that Cam is done--we are not bringing in Haskins or Jones--we are simply looking for depth--that was a need last year, so I doubt there will be any form of QB controversy.  I think drafting a guy is the  way to go, as you say.  Rosen needs to play behind a Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers for a year or two.  He was thrown  into a bad situation.

To get Rosen we would have to give up AT LEAST a second rounder. No way they trade him for a 3rd 

[top dawg]

16 minutes ago, Waldo said:

No. Everyone this year needs to prove they should be apart of the future of this team moving forward. Trading future draft picks away to do that would be a contradiction. 

I'm not trying to be flippant, but what you're suggesting seems like kind of a contradiction to me.  In my opinion, the best general managers and management of franchises as a whole can't afford to just look at one season in a vacuum. Team building is a dynamic process that has implications beyond one season. Sure, you have to live in the now, and in large part be focused on the present, but part of that is providing the best security and insurance in the event of the unforseen. Moreover, looking towards and preparing for the future is always at the back of the mind of a good manager, as well as learning from the mistakes of the past. So, it's kind of all connected, though fans and others may only look at things from the perspective of what's happening in the moment.

[TheRed]

21 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

To get Rosen we would have to give up AT LEAST a second rounder. No way they trade him for a 3rd 

Exactly. The fact that other teams around the league overall interest has been minimal would indicate to me they may even be requesting a first rounder. This 3rd round business is a pipe dream. We gave up a 4th rounder for a punter not that long ago, clearly dudes around here need to understand basic draft value.

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, top dawg said:

I'm not trying to be flippant, but what you're suggesting seems like kind of a contradiction to me.  In my opinion, the best general managers and management of franchises as a whole can't afford to just look at one season in a vacuum. Team building is a dynamic process that has implications beyond one season. Sure, you have to live in the now, and in large part be focused on the present, but part of that is providing the best security and insurance in the event of the unforeseen. Moreover, looking towards and preparing for the future is always at the back of the mind of a good manager, as well as learning from the mistakes of the past. So, it's kind of all connected, though fans and others may only look at things from the perspective of what's happening in the moment.

Tepper still has training wheels and Hurney and Ron's tenure together is well documented. I love Cam, but I would not endorse a long term extension until he proves himself this year. Why would I give Ron and Hurney a different standard when the statistics show that the one successful year together was when Hurney was brought in before training camp. If Tepper signs Hurney and Ron to extensions, that expectation would change. 

[Palmetto]

If Rosen is traded that means all the teams that passed on him will pay plus the Cards thats a lot of pay back

 

[top dawg]

1 hour ago, Waldo said:

Tepper still has training wheels and Hurney and Ron's tenure together is well documented. I love Cam, but I would not endorse a long term extension until he proves himself this year. Why would I give Ron and Hurney a different standard when the statistics show that the one successful year together was when Hurney was brought in before training camp. If Tepper signs Hurney and Ron to extensions, that expectation would change. 

I think that the Hurney-Rivera era has been disjointed and has not really had a semblance of flow until now. The effect of the transition of the CBA and how Richardson went about manifesting his distaste for bargaining with the players had reverberations at the beginning of their era, and Cam's arm certainly had a great effect last year upon their "tenure." So, you can define their time together as well documented with decidedly negative connotations, but I am not going to discount the poo-happens aspect of their time together. Honestly, I think that we are just currently seeing with any solidity what the pair may be able to accomplish, and this upcoming season will reveal a lot because they've had a little time together, and they've had time to plan and  prepare for Cam's ascendancy or demise, while also looking out for the longer term interests of the team in general without the threat of being axed too soon.

[RumHam]

On 4/12/2019 at 6:38 AM, Pantha-kun said:

Wouldnt do that unless cam cant throw far again and we wont know that till  a few games through the season 

This is the problem right here. Really nothing we can do right now and rosen is looking **** Pickles 2.0

[Waldo]

27 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I think that the Hurney-Rivera era has been disjointed and has not really had a semblance of flow until now. The effect of the transition of the CBA and how Richardson went about manifesting his distaste for bargaining with the players had reverberations at the beginning of their era, and Cam's arm certainly had a great effect last year upon their "tenure." So, you can define their time together as well documented with decidedly negative connotations, but I am not going to discount the poo-happens aspect of their time together. Honestly, I think that we are just currently seeing with any solidity what the pair may be able to accomplish, and this upcoming season will reveal a lot because they've had a little time together, and they've had time to plan and  prepare for Cam's ascendancy or demise, while also looking out for the longer term interests of the team in general without the threat of being axed too soon.

I'd say the outliers would be Reid and TD leaving. The rest looks remarkable similar with a dash of pressure from ownership, which is still reduced because he is entering his second year in that position. I don't really have any poo-happens left in me after the levels of accountability I have witnessed from these two. 

Don't trade a 2020 pick but a 2019 pick if he is their guy. I wouldn't like it but it would be their burden to prove it was a good decision if they were sold on this guy. I'm just not a fan of living off next years options unless it is 5th round and later picks. 

[thefuzz]

4 hours ago, TheRed said:

This goes back to my point of drafting a QB next year.

Let's stop trying to dumpster dive through another teams trash heap. Especially very bad teams. You would think this fanbase would finally learn from our past at some point, but nope.

This is a football forum that asked a question about trading a 3rd round pick from more than a year away for a talented young healthy QB that can be insurance in the case that our QB cannot make it through a full season, and is no longer able to play football at a high level due to injury.

It's about controlling a player longterm at the most expensive position on the field for a 3rd that Hurney will use on a Gaulden type player.

If Cam can play, Rosen would never see the field.  If Cam can't make it through the season, we have a cheap guy on the roster signed long term that hopefully the next staff can groom to be the starter, or trade away at a future date for more resources.

As to dumpster diving through trash heaps..there are the Kalil's....and then there are the Delhomme's, Ginns, Olsen's....of our past.

[Palmetto]

If our only excuse to trade a draft pick for a player is "Hurney will screw up the 2nd/3rd/4th round pick any way". then we need to have more threads about getting a new GM instead of trading picks for unwanted players

[heel31ok]

No...we need to get in position to draft Trevor Lawrence...