Cards shopping Rosen for a 3...

[TheRed]

Does anyone here have a gif of human noodle Matt Ryan running in a highlight reel touchdown on us with ease last year?

That needs to be posted in pretty much every thread with demands about drafting or trading for a QB.

[Carl Spackler]

41 minutes ago, archer4364 said:

If you think Grier is a better prospect than Rosen you were dropped on your head as a kid, no other possibility. Whew whew cbs dot com draft canceled whew whew. Rosen was drafted what, tenth? Let's see where Grier falls. 

 

Whew whew Tom Brady was drafted in the sixth round whew whew

[Double Trouble]

3 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

I'm glad you think his "college tape" is better because his stats sure as hell weren't.

Rosen: 60.9% completions, 8 YPA, 59 TD, 26 INT, 140.1 rating

Grier: 65.7% completions, 9 YPA, 81 TD, 23 INT, 165.2 rating

Rosen's arm is weaker, his accuracy is worse, his decision-making is worse and he's already got the sting of an awful rookie season. If he was so good, his own team wouldn't be trying to dump him.

UCLA wasted Rosen. His supporting cast was garbage.  Seriously, UCLA's receivers are horrific. As soon as he got someone halfway decent in Jordan Lasley, he threw his way often and for 1264yds 9TD's. You can't compare WVU and UCLA's offenses, thats just not fair lol.  I don't even like Rosen, he's a prick, but I did watch almost every college game of his.  Not sure where this story of being inaccurate is coming from.  He has zero time to throw and zero capable receivers pretty much his entire time there. The amount of dropped balls UCLA had was astounding. 

[SOJA]

3 hours ago, Carl Spackler said:

You guys really gotta stop with the "tape" stuff. Nobody here as seen a damn second of All-22 or anything related to these guys. I get what you're saying, but it's inherently wrong and has been proven already. Rosen is a slightly better Jimmy Clausen. 

Weird flex but ok

[Carl Spackler]

Just now, SOJA said:

Weird flex but ok

I am the king of the weird flex

[MasterAwesome]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

The chatter that comes with it may be something the team wants to avoid, though.

I also have to admit I'm a little disturbed at the prospect of a team wanting to give up one year in on a guy they drafted in the high first. New coach yes, but the same GM that drafted him is still in place, and it's not like the Cardinals don't have other needs.

This could be one of those scenarios where "wow, why are they trading him" turns into "oh, now I understand".

How would that be different than drafting Grier in the second or third round? You think using a high draft pick on a QB wouldn’t cause any chatter or a potential QB controversy? Especially considering, in this scenario, that we’d potentially be using a higher draft pick on Grier (i.e. a greater investment) than we would be to trade for Rosen. With a greater investment, comes greater expectations.

[micnificent28]

1 hour ago, MasterAwesome said:

How would that be different than drafting Grier in the second or third round? You think using a high draft pick on a QB wouldn’t cause any chatter or a potential QB controversy? Especially considering, in this scenario, that we’d potentially be using a higher draft pick on Grier (i.e. a greater investment) than we would be to trade for Rosen. With a greater investment, comes greater expectations.

I said exactly this to him. He has been driving the Grier hype train extras hard here lately, which is shocking.

[top dawg]

3 hours ago, archer4364 said:

If you think Grier is a better prospect than Rosen you were dropped on your head as a kid, no other possibility. Whew whew cbs dot com draft canceled whew whew. Rosen was drafted what, tenth? Let's see where Grier falls. 

 

l don't really have a dog in the fight. I just know that a great QB can come in any round, even no round. I would think that an HC (and QB guru) such as Norv Turner not only knows way more than I do about the subject,and, perhaps more importantly, knows his own thoughts and plans better than I do.

History has taught us time and time again that bad to great QBs come from all rounds, so I'm certainly not going to assume anything until I see something (or nothing) on the professional level.

[JARROD]

If we are definitely looking for a QB with a 3rd...

Isnt Rosen lightyears better than any quarterback in the 3rd now?

thats a no brainer.

 

[micnificent28]

8 hours ago, TheRed said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/arizona-cardinals/josh-rosen-25105/

He has a 3.9 million dollar cap hit for 2019, and 4.7 million dollar cap hit for 2020. To give up a 3rd and absorb that cap hit with all our needs Cam's arm has to be done to justify it.

 

cheaper than Grier would be.

[Peon Awesome]

Rosen might be ok and it's definitely premature to say he's a bust, but why do people conversely assume that he's going to be good? He was the qb for the worst offense in the league. There were 5 qbs taken in the first round last year; Rosen looked like the worst and I honestly don't think it was that close. Paxton Lynch and Johnny Manziel were also recent first round picks. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I don't think a 3rd round pick isn't worth the price to gamble that he'll become something. But the majority here seem to think this guy deserves a first round pick, with a third being laughable and probably fake news. I don't get it. 

For the record, I'd rather the Panthers stay away cause I suspect he'll be more distraction than actually help our team, and think we should be trying to accumulate picks in this deep draft, not trade them away. But I could see the potential appeal in a 3rd for him.

[micnificent28]

4 minutes ago, Peon Awesome said:

Rosen might be ok and it's definitely premature to say he's a bust, but why do people conversely assume that he's going to be good? He was the qb for the worst offense in the league. There were 5 qbs taken in the first round last year; Rosen looked like the worst and I honestly don't think it was that close. Paxton Lynch and Johnny Manziel were also recent first round picks. 

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I don't think a 3rd round pick isn't worth the price to gamble that he'll become something. But the majority here seem to think this guy deserves a first round pick, with a third being laughable and probably fake news. I don't get it. 

For the record, I'd rather the Panthers stay away cause I suspect he'll be more distraction than actually help our team, and think we should be trying to accumulate picks in this deep draft, not trade them away. But I could see the potential appeal in a 3rd for him.

Young QBs normally get a mulligan on a busted first year, And that cards team was awful in general. Remember when their running back was hands down the best rb in the league? Not in that offense. It’s hard to say all of that was Rosen’s fault, the Qb before got in looked bad as well. However, he did go into Green Bay and got Mike fired in Lambo. So if you giving him a Mulligan on that you go back to the college tape.

College tape Got him drafted first round in a much better qb class, if you split the difference he’s atleast if second round value and your getting him for a 3rd rounder pick who is cheaper than a second round pick by contract Value. Guy still has plenty of upside and if he looks good preseason or mop up duty you flip him for a first round pick maybe even more.

[Sub Zero]

2 hours ago, top dawg said:

l don't really have a dog in the fight. I just know that a great QB can come in any round, even no round. I would think that an HC (and QB guru) such as Norv Turner not only knows way more than I do about the subject,and, perhaps more importantly, knows his own thoughts and plans better than I do.

History has taught us time and time again that bad to great QBs come from all rounds, so I'm certainly not going to assume anything until I see something (or nothing) on the professional level.

If we don't win Norv might not be here anyway..  So depending on him to develop a project QB is a iffy situation..

[Sub Zero]

Don't judge Rosen by last year.  That Cardinals team was set up to fail.. They fired Wilks after 1 season without giving him anything to work with. Rosen had no Oline 1 good vet WR and a rookie. AND David Johnson wasn't at his best.  Him and Allen were in the worst offensive situation as rookies..