Marty Hurney tried to trade up to get Greg Little as early as the No. 21 overall pick in the first round

[kungfoodude]

7 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

I think he didn't have the chips to play with the big boys-maybe he dangled a player ? that nobody wanted--like Smith or Searcy?  Long shot theory, but if we needed a starting left tackle, that is where the bidding began.  You make a good point, however.  Who knows?

I would wager that is less than 1% probability. Hurney isn't an idiot. You will get laughed off the phone offering up dead salary weight and/or role players for pretty valuable draft capital. 

[panthers55]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't accept it because I have working eyes in my head. There is ample visual evidence to seeing that he was terrible. It existed before he ever stepped foot in Carolina and even more of it exists now after his time here. If he was so damn injured that he was incapable of playing, why did he start 16 of 16 games in 5 of his 7 career seasons? Does that explain him making 64 straight starts in Minnesota AFTER his rookie season and getting worse almost every year? Clearly two coaching staffs across two teams didn't think that was the case. 

I am not the one making strawman arguments. You said that any argument about him being successful was irrelevant because we have Matso's previous successes. Not many here are going to argue that he is a great coach but his presence making an argument IRRELEVANT? That's ridiculous. If that was the case, then it wouldn't even matter who we drafted at LT, they would be an instant success anyway. Once again, I am not making an earth shattering revelation. If a player is not motivated to be a great player, if they don't have passion for the sport, or if they are just generally not capable of playing at an NFL level....COACHING WILL NOT FIX THAT. You gotta have two to tango, dogg.

Clearly you don't know that eye witness testimony has been proven to be the most believable but actually proven to be the least accurate.  So you saw it but what says it was true or that you even have the expertise to make an informed opinion. Like me you are a fan, right?

And again with the strawman argument that no is actually arguing about but you. Do you say it because you think it is profound. The same thing applies to anyone including children. You can't make someone do something if they are unwilling or unable.

Wow. Like dude that is profound.. ...

[Moo Daeng]

Who cares?

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Clearly you don't know that eye witness testimony has been proven to be the most believable but actually proven to be the least accurate.  So you saw it but what says it was true or that you even have the expertise to make an informed opinion. Like me you are a fan, right?

How do you even want me to respond to that? Just pages of YouTube videos of him not doing his job well? Lists of subjective performance metrics or player ratings? He sucked. He, outside of one year, always has sucked. I can't help it that you believed that his career was derailed by injuries and he is just a Pro-Bowl LT waiting to break out of his frail body. That's on you. 

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And again with the strawman argument that no is actually arguing about but you. Do you say it because you think it is profound. The same thing applies to anyone including children. You can't make someone do something if they are unwilling or unable.

Wow. Like dude that is profound.. ...

Yeah. Exactly. It is an extremely simple concept that you for some reason argued against. Pretty stunning, really. 

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

1 minute ago, Moo Daeng said:

Who cares?

TheSpecialJuan likes to make nonsense threads that are a waste of thread space. What else is new.

[Moo Daeng]

I'll wait to see how the guy plays. The opinions of disgruntled message board scouts mean nothing.

[kungfoodude]

Just now, rbsponsel52 said:

TheSpecialJuan likes to make nonsense threads that are a waste of thread space. What else is new.

It is the post-draft, pre-training camp period of the offseason. It isn't like there is too much more interesting than that little tidbit. It does have some passing value in that is shows how highly that the front office regarded Little. It would be much more interesting to know what they were offering to get those picks they were trying to trade up for. 

[bababoey]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah but that take is only accurate if Little turns into a solid LT. If he is Matt Kalil 2.0, then it was a huge blunder and a desperation move. So, I can't give him any credit now. If it works out, all the credit in the world.

I love how everyone craps all over Matt Kalil on this board.  When he was healthy and on the field he was ok, not great not really even good, but he was not awful and I watched Bryon Bell out there for a year so I know what awful looks like.   

He wasn't worth $11 million a year but we won 11 games and should have won a playoff game with a QB who's arm was half falling off. 

The problem is he cost way to much and he might never be healthy again (the last time he played a game Devin Funches was far and away the best receiver we had on the team).

Greg Little will cost 1/10 of what Kalil cost in cap room.

If Greg Little is just as good as Kalil was in 2017 and Cam's arm don't fall off this will be a playoff team.  This will probably be a playoff team if Greg Little never gets any better than Kalil, as long as Cam is healthy and the QB.

[Camp Fodder]

16 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I kinda wish we didn't have that 5th year option on Shaq to have forced our hand. We would've either already signed him to an extension that would probably put his cap hit for this year at significantly less than his current nearly $10M or we would've let him walk and TD would be here for another year.

If we were completely sold on Shaq, he would've already been extended. That 5th year option really only helps you if you're dealing with a really good player at a premium position. QB, LT, WR, CB then yeah. Mediocre LB? Meh... I wish we didn't have that crutch. Make the call.

Yes 10 million for his is outrageous

[mc52beast]

Why would Hurney even tell that to anyone. He’s basically saying Little will be an anchor on this team... but what if he turns out to be a bust?

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

Why would Hurney even tell that to anyone. He’s basically saying Little will be an anchor on this team... but what if he turns out to be a bust?

I don't think he is too worried about the PR aspect of it. If he was convinced enough to try to trade into the first round then he probably completely believes that Little is "the guy." 

We just have to hope he is right.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, kungfoodude said:

How do you even want me to respond to that? Just pages of YouTube videos of him not doing his job well? Lists of subjective performance metrics or player ratings? He sucked. He, outside of one year, always has sucked. I can't help it that you believed that his career was derailed by injuries and he is just a Pro-Bowl LT waiting to break out of his frail body. That's on you. 

Yeah. Exactly. It is an extremely simple concept that you for some reason argued against. Pretty stunning, really. 

So now you double down by making stuff up and saying folks said things they didnt.. I guess if you keep creating your own reality you might eventually be right about something. At least in your own head.

[kungfoodude]

3 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

 So now you double down by making stuff up and saying folks said things they didnt.. I guess if you keep creating your own reality you might eventually be right about something. At least in your own head.

It's sad when people aren't self-aware. I feel bad for you.

[panthers55]

7 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

It's sad when people aren't self-aware. I feel bad for you.

That is funny since I teach that for a living and practice it daily. Once again you see but you don't understand.