Vernon Butler, the 3-4, and depth on the DL

[Seltzer]

5 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Probably obada. More upside. Worth the shot.

Agree with you, but I hope we keep both Obada, Cox, and unfortunately Butler unless we can find an upgrade and send Christian Miller to IR for any plausible reason to free up a spot.

[Pimpdaddy]

a first rounder that hasn't even come close to expectations ..time to cut bait...

[Seltzer]

7 minutes ago, Pimpdaddy said:

a first rounder that hasn't even come close to expectations ..time to cut bait...

I don't disagree in principal, but who are we going to bring in that will be any better than Butler as a depth piece?  We need at least 6 guys who can play the interior in a 3-4 base defense. 

I know Obada and Cox rush the interior in certain situations (primarily passing), but I don't think they are big enough to play significant snaps there.

We are still going to pay Butler a substantial amount for this season, and cutting him raises other questions.

I'm not going to shed any tears if he's cut, I just don't know that it's a given or ultimately is the right move (at least for this year).  Obviously next year he's gone.  

 

[Pimpdaddy]

4 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

I don't disagree in principal, but who are we going to bring in that will be any better than Butler as a depth piece?  We need at least 6 guys who can play the interior in a 3-4 base defense. 

I know Obada and Cox rush the interior in certain situations (primarily passing), but I don't think they are big enough to play significant snaps there.

We are still going to pay Butler a substantial amount for this season, and cutting him raises other questions.

I'm not going to shed any tears if he's cut, I just don't know that it's a given or ultimately is the right move (at least for this year).  Obviously next year he's gone.  

 

yea..i get ya...its just sad that he was a 1st rounder...you build your team around those type of picks.

 

[rayzor]

16 minutes ago, Seltzer said:

We are still going to pay Butler a substantial amount for this season, and cutting him raises other questions.

Keeping him in the team, not because there aren't other better options, but because you still owe him a couple million bucks and you wasted a first round draft pick on him is questionable on its own. I don't like that reasoning at all. We cut guys who are dead money fairly often. This should be no different.

[WarPanthers89]

It does not save us anything to cut him, and we will have to replace while still paying him. Everyone needs to calm down it has been one preseason game. 

[ImfromClayton]

I don’t agree with the consensus that he’s cut. Not only do I think he makes the roster, I think he’s active most weeks. It would Be foolish to go into a season with 5 DTs on the roster IMO, especially if we are calling cox a DT.  

 

This is a moo point if we sign a free agent.  I don’t think Butler has earned it, but I don’t see a way we can cut him. 

[Toomers]

12 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Keeping him in the team, not because there aren't other better options, but because you still owe him a couple million bucks and you wasted a first round draft pick on him is questionable on its own. I don't like that reasoning at all. We cut guys who are dead money fairly often. This should be no different.

  Include his entire quote. Who are you getting that is better, at this point. Some other teams 5th best DT after cuts? And at what additional cost? That’s the issue. I hope there is a DT that can be. 

 Those are all valid questions. And I wish he was already gone. Maybe we should have paid attention to the very deep DT class this past year. 

[Black&BlueBubba]

I really wish we had a better option.  But my gut tells me while I want him gone.  He will make the 53.  

What pisses me off is even though he isn’t gonna be on the team next year we will get absolutely no compensation for his ass.  

[sml1950]

There’s always the player for player trade to one of the other teams that crapped out in the 2016 1st round.  The Bills Shaq Lawson DE, Pittsburgh Artie Shaw CB and Oakland Karl Joseph S come to mind.  Unfortunately, the Giants have already given up on Eli Apple to the Saints.  Sometimes a fresh start with a different staff turn a career around.

[steven8989]

21 hours ago, RoaringRiot said:

Exactly correct. 

I would be pretty shocked if he doesn’t make the team. He’s not going to live up to his draft position but he’s fine rotationally. 

Ive just asked our film guy to break down his week one performance since everyone thinks it was such garbage.

How about ask ur film guy to bring up all his film since we drafted him. He is GARBAGE!

[4Corners]

15 hours ago, rayzor said:

Keeping him in the team, not because there aren't other better options, but because you still owe him a couple million bucks and you wasted a first round draft pick on him is questionable on its own. I don't like that reasoning at all. We cut guys who are dead money fairly often. This should be no different.

Agree w this. Good teams move on from mistakes early. 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

If we cut Butler because he won't be seeing the field regularly...who do we replace him with that will be seeing the field regularly?

Are we hoping a 3rd string DE is regularly on the field?  I hope not.

I don't see the benefit in cutting Butler at this moment.  Either way we have a guy that we hope isn't on the field.

[Toomers]

   After watching the game, I change my stance. That horrible of effort is contagious. Eat the money and get him out of here now. I really didn’t understand how bad his play was the other night. That’s a player that’s content. And basically useless.