RR doing a good job with the D

[Seltzer]

5 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Yes draft round doesnt matter but the thing is Rivera is known for being such a Defensive guru he should have been able to do more with less in the past, the defense has only been really good when its stacked like this,  youth has helped too. 

We were the #2 defense in 2013 with a badass defensive line where the only 1st rounder was Star with 2 undrafted guys getting a lot of reps (Mario Addison & Wes Horton).

On top of that, we started 2 UDFA rookies for a lot of the year (Melvin White & Robert Lester).

People trying to discount Ron of defense are reaching...  He's made chicken salad out of chickensh*t more times than not.

Question his clock management our overall offensive philosophy, sure, but give the man his due on defense.

[rico6]

1 minute ago, Seltzer said:

We were the #2 defense in 2013 with a badass defensive line where the only 1st rounder was Star with 2 undrafted guys getting a lot of reps (Mario Addison & Wes Horton).

On top of that, we started 2 UDFA rookies for a lot of the year (Melvin White & Robert Lester).

People trying to discount Ron of defense are reaching...  He's made chicken salad out of chickensh*t more times than not.

Question his clock management our overall offensive philosophy, sure, but give the man his due on defense.

We had Short that year too.

[DeAngelo Beason]

I do a good job with the D as well.  Or so I'm told.

[Forty-Eight]

I just hope he doesnt give it back to Washington 

[JawnyBlaze]

Yes he has. Hopefully he doesn’t try to slip the defense calling responsibilities back to Washington in order to help his buddy out. 

[Palmetto]

[bigdavis]

1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

Sure, but there is this--of the (approx) 25 defensive players on the active roster:

First round picks (8): Luke, Shaq, Vernon, McCoy, Irvin, Reid, Burns, Poe

On defense, a third of the roster is comprised on first round draft choices.

I am not saying that RR is not doing a good job, but damn--our defense is an all-star team.  Throw in the second rounders, and you get 11 players that were first or second round selections. 

Second rounders (3):  Jackson, KK Short, Bradberry

Meanwhile, on offense, we have (currently):

First rounders (3):   Olsen, Moore, CMC (Cam not playing at moment)

Second rounders (3):  Samuel, Moton, Little

The offensive line:  We have 2 undrafted starters on the OL; our current QB was undrafted.

The offense is currently starting as many undrafted players as it is first rounders.

If you gave a coordinator a MLB like Luke calling the shots and 11 elite draft picks---then you should be good.

Sooo...you're saying Ron gets no credit for scheme, alignments, etc.?

I see your point, but the recent success isn't just about the individual parts, is it?

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, MHS831 said:

Sure, but there is this--of the (approx) 25 defensive players on the active roster:

First round picks (8): Luke, Shaq, Vernon, McCoy, Irvin, Reid, Burns, Poe

On defense, a third of the roster is comprised on first round draft choices.

I am not saying that RR is not doing a good job, but damn--our defense is an all-star team.  Throw in the second rounders, and you get 11 players that were first or second round selections. 

Second rounders (3):  Jackson, KK Short, Bradberry

Meanwhile, on offense, we have (currently):

First rounders (3):   Olsen, Moore, CMC (Cam not playing at moment)

Second rounders (3):  Samuel, Moton, Little

The offensive line:  We have 2 undrafted starters on the OL; our current QB was undrafted.

The offense is currently starting as many undrafted players as it is first rounders.

If you gave a coordinator a MLB like Luke calling the shots and 11 elite draft picks---then you should be good.

Don't know that first and second rounders are the telling tale given how many first and second rounders don't pan out. You could argue that Butler and Poe aren't great and guys like McCoy and Irvin are getting long in the tooth and were free agents for a reason. Even Shaq was a question mark until this year.  So the whole notion Rivera has the benefit of all this talent might be a little overblown.

[LinvilleGorge]

I mean, it's not surprising. Say what you want about Rivera as a HC, but the man flat out knows how to run an NFL defense and he's proven it everywhere he's been.

[Jus Rob]

4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Don't know that first and second rounders are the telling tale given how many first and second rounders don't pan out. You could argue that Butler and Poe aren't great and guys like McCoy and Irvin are getting long in the tooth and were free agents for a reason. Even Shaq was a question mark until this year.  So the whole notion Rivera has the benefit of all this talent might be a little overblown.

Big Facts 

[raz]

i gotta give him credit too. i do enough rivera bashing.  he's doing a great job

[onmyown]

2 hours ago, rico6 said:

Ron has only fielded a top 10 defense (front 7/secondary) like once. His Front 7 has just about always been in the top rankings since 2013 though, I’ll give you that.

Ehhh 2013, 2015, 2017

2017 was ranked #11

So more like around 3...

but yea otherwise the defense usually ranks bottom 3rd of league. So over his tenure he’s fielded an average defense as a whole.

 

[BurnHurnBurn]

Ron is a DC.  Was a DC.  Should never be anything but a DC.

His situational/gut awareness/feelings are complete trash.

His hires are putrid.

Yet he butt-fumbles around long enough to be considered our "winningest coach".

Pa-The-Tic. 

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, onmyown said:

Ehhh 2013, 2015, 2017

2017 was ranked #11

So more like around 3...

but yea otherwise the defense usually ranks bottom 3rd of league. So over his tenure he’s fielded an average defense as a whole.

 

Actually using ypg  surrendered as your standard his defense have been ranked:

2011- 28th

2012 - 10th

2013- 2nd

2014- 10th

2015- 6th

2016- 15th

2017- 7th

2018- 15th

That is five times in top 10 and 2 more in the top 15th.  Not sure what you are using but the NFL standard has always been ranked by total yards surrendered.