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Kyle Allen more than holding his own with other 2018 drafted QBs


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FACTS:  Through his first 9 games, Allen is holding his own or exceeding the performance of QBs drafted in 2018, when the Panthers acquired him.  IF we'd taken him in the first three rounds this board would be talking about him like we got a STEAL given his performance compared with the round 1 QBs, let alone losers who were drafted that year not worth mentioning they are so bad like Rosen, Falk, Lauletta, etc. 

The board should be doing cartwheels and somersaults.  The team has done the rarest thing in football, which is to find a potentially franchise QB, and at minimum one playing like a first rounder, for free.  

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Let's not pretend some of those other QBs don't have suboptimal offensive conditions around them. Plus, QB rating is as big of a sham as completion percentage.

Kyle has done great playing above average of his expected value (backup QB) and keeping the offense afloat for the most part. 

However, he's not close to being a franchise QB. Let's not kid ourselves into thinking he is one right now. Will need to see him better his decision-making process, far less underthrown deep balls, and essentially get the rudimentary basics of an starting NFL caliber QB right now.

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5 minutes ago, MVPccaffrey said:

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FACTS:  Through his first 9 games, Allen is holding his own or exceeding the performance of QBs drafted in 2018, when the Panthers acquired him.  IF we'd taken him in the first three rounds this board would be talking about him like we got a STEAL given his performance compared with the round 1 QBs, let alone losers who were drafted that year not worth mentioning they are so bad like Rosen, Falk, Lauletta, etc. 

The board should be doing cartwheels and somersaults.  The team has done the rarest thing in football, which is to find a potentially franchise QB, and at minimum one playing like a first rounder, for free.  

lol franchise QB u gonna learn

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5 minutes ago, MVPccaffrey said:

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FACTS:  Through his first 9 games, Allen is holding his own or exceeding the performance of QBs drafted in 2018, when the Panthers acquired him.  IF we'd taken him in the first three rounds this board would be talking about him like we got a STEAL given his performance compared with the round 1 QBs, let alone losers who were drafted that year not worth mentioning they are so bad like Rosen, Falk, Lauletta, etc. 

The board should be doing cartwheels and somersaults.  The team has done the rarest thing in football, which is to find a potentially franchise QB, and at minimum one playing like a first rounder, for free.  

smokin that primo homerism kush

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4 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

i mostly agree with the results here but uhhh analytics still hasn’t figured out how to account for the kirk cousins effect. bottom left makes a little more sense than top right. problem with allen is he doesn’t have some elite set of tools to dream on. pretty close to maxed out rn. only hope is that he becomes an elite decision maker. he really is case keenum isn’t he

Yes, that’s what I was getting at with the graph. He’s a solid backup and can win you some games, but that’s it. I agree the bottom left is more accurate than than the top right. I will say though, the top right guys are playing at very high level, even though Cousins has been poop for years and even the first few weeks of the season, he has played well of the last three weeks.

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It's still a little to early to say he's a franchise QB or a career backup. Right now, he's playing well above expectations and winning more than he's losing, throwing more TDs than interceptions, and having some problems with fumbles. 

He does, however, seem to have a certain poise that says the game isn't too big or fast for him and he seems to be learning how to pilot an NFL team on the fly. Not too shabby. 

He's our guy right now, and that's really all that matters. Start worrying about 2020 around March.

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