The Process

[bigdavis]

There are those of us who express skepticism over whether Rhule's MOTIVATIONAL skills would be accepted by pros (grown men making big salaries) as well as it was received by unpaid, supposedly more impressionable college kids.

Yes, his enthusiastic speaking skills do resemble "motivational speakers."

But I see it from a slightly different angle, and I think getting pros to buy into his "process" (I'll define that word as doing things done the way he wants them done) is more dependent on his COMMUNICATION skills.

There's a subtle difference there.  And I don't think he could've turned around 2 failing teams, as quickly as he did, with much of the same personnel, without superior COACHING skills -- and that's where the communication comes in.  Over and over, his college players lauded him for showing them how to be the best they could be.  Personally. I think many of out players were under-performed under their previous coaches, so maybe he can coach them up to their best potential -- through the communication we just saw in that video.  We shall see. 

[Snake]

1 hour ago, Jon Snow said:

I'm certainly liking what I'm hearing so far.   Rhule may go down in flames but I want a seat on the bus.  

I'm just figuring now if Ron Rivera was good enough to make it to the super bowl with how he coached this guy has to be. I've been a coach for awhile now in high school and I have rebuilt two programs and it's extremely hard. I can only imagine how absurd it is to do it at the college level in a non SEC school. He might not be a genius but he's a grinder that's for sure. 

[Mr. Scot]

18 minutes ago, bigdavis said:

There are those of us who express skepticism over whether Rhule's MOTIVATIONAL skills would be accepted by pros (grown men making big salaries) as well as it was received by unpaid, supposedly more impressionable college kids.

Yes, his enthusiastic speaking skills do resemble "motivational speakers."

But I see it from a slightly different angle, and I think getting pros to buy into his "process" (I'll define that word as doing things done the way he wants them done) is more dependent on his COMMUNICATION skills.

There's a subtle difference there.  And I don't think he could've turned around 2 failing teams, as quickly as he did, with much of the same personnel, without superior COACHING skills -- and that's where the communication comes in.  Over and over, his college players lauded him for showing them how to be the best they could be.  Personally. I think many of out players were under-performed under their previous coaches, so maybe he can coach them up to their best potential -- through the communication we just saw in that video.  We shall see. 

It's a valid concern.

Rivera could certainly motivate people but he wasn't as smart as the coaches on the other side of the field.

[Jon Snow]

10 minutes ago, Snake said:

I'm just figuring now if Ron Rivera was good enough to make it to the super bowl with how he coached this guy has to be. I've been a coach for awhile now in high school and I have rebuilt two programs and it's extremely hard. I can only imagine how absurd it is to do it at the college level in a non SEC school. He might not be a genius but he's a grinder that's for sure. 

Rhule is a serious underdog in the NFL.  He is taking on the most challenging endeavor he has ever faced and only has one year of NFL experience to lean on.  On top of that he has to do it with Marty as his "talent evaluator". But what he does have is football street smarts if you will.  He's worked his way up from nothing to national notoriety based on his work ethic and leadership.  Leadership that was developed by doing the things most coaches wouldn't or couldn't do.   It's the ultimate underdog story and I for one hope like hell he can pull it off.   

[Mr. Scot]

One thing to clarify: While he wants staff and program control, he doesn't want personnel control. He still plans to work with the front office on roster building.

On that front, with McDaniels out of the picture we're less tied to the Patriot options (though still could try for Nick Caserio, I suppose) but could go back to the Steeler options like Colbert, Khan and Brandon Hunt.

And while it's probably a pipe dream, knowing that Rhule is friends with Jeff Ireland is at least something to hope for.

[thefuzz]

1 hour ago, Real1zOnly said:

I was about to post a similar thread on this. I was watching the interview with Cann and he pretty much said this will be a rebuild and we have to Trust The Process.

 

Not sure if that is good or bad news for Cam Newton. As many have said if we keep Cam Newton there is no way we have a chance at Lawrence next year. Im curious if his process will include a broken down Cam Newton in the future.

 

Im curious to see what he has to say about Cam Newton in his press conference today.

He has been really dodging talking much about Cam so far....."I'm really excited to get to know him" is his canned response.

 

[PanthersBigD]

44 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

That's good to hear. I guess now the big wait is to see who ends up on our staff and our front office. 

Here's the excerpt of the Giants players' thoughts on Rhule:

https://theathletic.com/1517228/2020/01/08/matt-rhules-colleagues-teammates-players-and-friends-what-the-new-panthers-coach-is-made-of-and-how-hell-do-in-the-nfl/

New York Giants 

(Rhule was hired by the Giants as their assistant offensive line coach on Tom Coughlin’s staff in 2012. He helped oversee a veteran group that won the Super Bowl the previous season, and some of the older linemen tested Rhule early on.)

Former Giants guard Chris Snee: “I think he stepped in a situation where our offensive line room was filled with veterans, and veterans that liked to bust chops. So I think immediately (from) the time Matt was put in there, we tested him. I wouldn’t say we bullied him, but we tested his makeup and busted his chops like he was a rookie offensive lineman. At the end of the year, he said, ‘Listen, I was a new guy in the room, and I knew my job was to come in there and prove myself and earn your trust. And I wouldn’t have done that if I came in there and snapped at you guys for making fun of me.’ So he just absorbed it all. Matt gets it. He gets the big picture.”

(It didn’t take Rhule long to prove himself to the Giants’ linemen — and the rest of the locker room and organization.)

Snee: “I think my first meeting (with Rhule) was, I thought to myself, did this guy ever play offensive line? Because you look at him and you’re like — and then you find out quickly he never did. Admittedly, he was a guy learning the position. That’s a credit to him. He didn’t come in and pretend like he knew it all. Because he didn’t. He leaned on veterans like myself and Kevin Boothe and David Diehl, and learned offensive line play. And from (Giants O-line) coach (Pat) Flaherty, who was great to him. Through us and within a matter of months, he was a guy who picked things up. He spoke about (offensive line) play like he played the position in college. So you could just tell the mental makeup of him and how intelligent he was and how he paid significant attention to detail.”

Ex-Giants fullback Henry Hynoski: “It really doesn’t matter (about not having played the position). The general football knowledge he has about every position. I remember when he was with the Giants he was in charge of running our goal-line stuff. And just the stuff he knew about the fullback position was incredible. He is just a well-rounded, well-knowledgeable guy in every capacity. Players are really going to respond to him because he’s a cool guy. He’s a players’ coach. He’s going to be strict and demanding and diligent in everything he does and expects. But if you give him what he gives you, then it’s going to be a good fit.”

(Like Hynoski, Snee also said Rhule has a way of letting players know he’s in charge, without being a jerk about it, which sounds a bit like Tepper’s comments about wanting an old-school disciplinarian open to modern processes.)

Snee: “The way he relates to players, his attention to detail. He’s got the leadership capabilities where he’s got the respect of everyone. He’s gonna set the rules. He’s gonna enforce the rules. But he’s gonna communicate with his players in a way that’s not gonna turn them off. That strict disciplinarian with not showing your players you care about them, it’s not as effective as it was in the past. I think Matt has figured out that balance. But I do love the fact that Carolina showed that commitment by giving him that (seven-year contract) length because it will take time. And a lot of times, teams don’t wait long enough. So that commitment was huge and I’m sure that’s what maybe forced Matt to leave a great situation they had at Baylor.”

Hynoski: “I knew Matt well during that year. Incredible guy, incredible person. Extreme attention to detail. He was just a guy I bonded with and the players bonded with from the start. When we found out he was going to Temple, everyone within the organization was upset but they knew he was on to big things ahead of him. What he did with that program and how he (rebuilt) two college programs in a matter of a couple years was truly remarkable. I thought the Panthers were very smart in jumping on him. I was hoping he was going to go to my Giants, but I guess somebody else got to him first.”

(Hynoski, a highly recruited high school running back from Pennsylvania, recalled that his first scholarship offer came from Rhule when he was a Temple assistant. Hynoski, who spent time with Rhule last spring at Coughlin’s charity golf tournament in Jacksonville, Fla., believes the same people skills that made Rhule an effective recruiter will translate to an NFL locker room.)

Hynoski: “I was with him just last spring and I gravitated towards him. Spent the whole afternoon with him and just picked up right where he left off. Easiest guy in the world to talk to. Just wonderful, wonderful person.”

Snee: “Just speaking on behalf of myself, I’m not someone that allows somebody in and trusts them immediately. But within a short period of time, Matt got that trust from me and we’ve been in contact a couple times a year since then. So just a guy that I respect a lot. I think he’s a darned good football coach. I was on record saying whoever hired him was gonna get a guy that was gonna come in and change the culture in the right way and have the respect of the players. But also have a disciplined system.”

Hynoski: “At that time (of Coughlin’s golf tournament) he was obviously the head coach at Baylor. It was right before the amazing season they had this year. It was just neat to see everything transpire for him. I couldn’t be happier for him and I’ll back him ‘til the day I die. I’ll stamp my name on anything associated with him. He’s a good man.”

If this is considered posting too much of an article, hopefully a mod will see this and delete/edit it. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, thefuzz said:

He has been really dodging talking much about Cam so far....."I'm really excited to get to know him" is his canned response.

He might have been told to.

[raleigh-panther]

1 hour ago, Tbe said:

What did our old coaches in was not cutting those players who found their message stale. Look at what Carol and Belichick do. They don’t care who you are.

I hope this guy has the same mentality.

This has been the issue with the panthers 

loyalty over productivity over and over and over again 

And  that can be applied to coaches  staff and certainly players    

it’s a business and a tough one And a young man’s league because if salary cap and demands to the body

the only player I’ve seen bellichek hold onto is Brady and that’s because of owner interference 

[thefuzz]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He might have been told to.

Kinda my thought as well.

[Mr. Scot]

12 minutes ago, PanthersBigD said:

Here's the excerpt of the Giants players' thoughts on Rhule:

https://theathletic.com/1517228/2020/01/08/matt-rhules-colleagues-teammates-players-and-friends-what-the-new-panthers-coach-is-made-of-and-how-hell-do-in-the-nfl/

New York Giants 

(Rhule was hired by the Giants as their assistant offensive line coach on Tom Coughlin’s staff in 2012. He helped oversee a veteran group that won the Super Bowl the previous season, and some of the older linemen tested Rhule early on.)

Former Giants guard Chris Snee: “I think he stepped in a situation where our offensive line room was filled with veterans, and veterans that liked to bust chops. So I think immediately (from) the time Matt was put in there, we tested him. I wouldn’t say we bullied him, but we tested his makeup and busted his chops like he was a rookie offensive lineman. At the end of the year, he said, ‘Listen, I was a new guy in the room, and I knew my job was to come in there and prove myself and earn your trust. And I wouldn’t have done that if I came in there and snapped at you guys for making fun of me.’ So he just absorbed it all. Matt gets it. He gets the big picture.”

(It didn’t take Rhule long to prove himself to the Giants’ linemen — and the rest of the locker room and organization.)

Snee: “I think my first meeting (with Rhule) was, I thought to myself, did this guy ever play offensive line? Because you look at him and you’re like — and then you find out quickly he never did. Admittedly, he was a guy learning the position. That’s a credit to him. He didn’t come in and pretend like he knew it all. Because he didn’t. He leaned on veterans like myself and Kevin Boothe and David Diehl, and learned offensive line play. And from (Giants O-line) coach (Pat) Flaherty, who was great to him. Through us and within a matter of months, he was a guy who picked things up. He spoke about (offensive line) play like he played the position in college. So you could just tell the mental makeup of him and how intelligent he was and how he paid significant attention to detail.”

Ex-Giants fullback Henry Hynoski: “It really doesn’t matter (about not having played the position). The general football knowledge he has about every position. I remember when he was with the Giants he was in charge of running our goal-line stuff. And just the stuff he knew about the fullback position was incredible. He is just a well-rounded, well-knowledgeable guy in every capacity. Players are really going to respond to him because he’s a cool guy. He’s a players’ coach. He’s going to be strict and demanding and diligent in everything he does and expects. But if you give him what he gives you, then it’s going to be a good fit.”

(Like Hynoski, Snee also said Rhule has a way of letting players know he’s in charge, without being a jerk about it, which sounds a bit like Tepper’s comments about wanting an old-school disciplinarian open to modern processes.)

Snee: “The way he relates to players, his attention to detail. He’s got the leadership capabilities where he’s got the respect of everyone. He’s gonna set the rules. He’s gonna enforce the rules. But he’s gonna communicate with his players in a way that’s not gonna turn them off. That strict disciplinarian with not showing your players you care about them, it’s not as effective as it was in the past. I think Matt has figured out that balance. But I do love the fact that Carolina showed that commitment by giving him that (seven-year contract) length because it will take time. And a lot of times, teams don’t wait long enough. So that commitment was huge and I’m sure that’s what maybe forced Matt to leave a great situation they had at Baylor.”

Hynoski: “I knew Matt well during that year. Incredible guy, incredible person. Extreme attention to detail. He was just a guy I bonded with and the players bonded with from the start. When we found out he was going to Temple, everyone within the organization was upset but they knew he was on to big things ahead of him. What he did with that program and how he (rebuilt) two college programs in a matter of a couple years was truly remarkable. I thought the Panthers were very smart in jumping on him. I was hoping he was going to go to my Giants, but I guess somebody else got to him first.”

(Hynoski, a highly recruited high school running back from Pennsylvania, recalled that his first scholarship offer came from Rhule when he was a Temple assistant. Hynoski, who spent time with Rhule last spring at Coughlin’s charity golf tournament in Jacksonville, Fla., believes the same people skills that made Rhule an effective recruiter will translate to an NFL locker room.)

Hynoski: “I was with him just last spring and I gravitated towards him. Spent the whole afternoon with him and just picked up right where he left off. Easiest guy in the world to talk to. Just wonderful, wonderful person.”

Snee: “Just speaking on behalf of myself, I’m not someone that allows somebody in and trusts them immediately. But within a short period of time, Matt got that trust from me and we’ve been in contact a couple times a year since then. So just a guy that I respect a lot. I think he’s a darned good football coach. I was on record saying whoever hired him was gonna get a guy that was gonna come in and change the culture in the right way and have the respect of the players. But also have a disciplined system.”

Hynoski: “At that time (of Coughlin’s golf tournament) he was obviously the head coach at Baylor. It was right before the amazing season they had this year. It was just neat to see everything transpire for him. I couldn’t be happier for him and I’ll back him ‘til the day I die. I’ll stamp my name on anything associated with him. He’s a good man.”

If this is considered posting too much of an article, hopefully a mod will see this and delete/edit it. 

Rules only state you can't post the full article.

I like the quotes about attention to detail. I feel like not seeing everything that was going on was one of Rivera's weaknesses.

 

[GoPanthers123]

I want to be on the team after watching that.

[RenoCarolina]

40 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

He might have been told to.

They flew to his home en masse to beat his trip to NYC, paid him top dollar, 7 year contract, full control of his staff, owner gushing over the hire and then pulled him aside and said oh yeah, when asked about Cam be totally non-committal .... sounds legit.

 

[RenoCarolina]

Not sure if this has been posted yet but here is his tweet to his Baylor players....