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Prospects at 7: Let's hear it...who Jumps Out?

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Options at 7: 
Derick Brown 
Javon Kinlaw 
Mekhi Becton
Andrew Thomas 
Yetur Gross-Matos 
AJ Epenesa 
Tua Tagovailoa 
Justin Herbert 

Trade down targets: 
Austin Jackson 
Josh Jones 
Jordan Elliot 
Grant Delpit 
Xavier McKinney 
Curtis Weaver 
 

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10 hours ago, saX man said:

Brown is good.

But that OSU CB and Thomas are my faves.  With Jeudy just a tad behind bc of how awesome this WR is. 

Not much on building a team from the outside in, especially when we are devoid of talent on both lines.

But both the CB and WR seem to be really good players.

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So, let’s see, we have a QB coach who was brought in as an offensive assistant with Saban in 2018 and installed the RPO system with Tua.  We brought in an OC who installed the Saints offensive system to LSU and turned a JAG QB into the presumed No. 1 pick in the draft.  We brought in a HC who was given a 7 year contract and is tasked with building a sustainable winning team.  If these three guys identify someone that can be the centerpiece for this process they will do what it takes to get him.  If that person is Tua, they won’t just wait for him to drop to seven, they will need to go up to get him.  No way Washington trades out of 2, so it’s Detroit or NY.   Love to hear the conversation between Hurney/Gettleman if it comes down to that negotiation.

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10 hours ago, Verge said:

Options at 7: 
Derick Brown 
Javon Kinlaw 
Mekhi Becton
Andrew Thomas 
Yetur Gross-Matos 
AJ Epenesa 
Tua Tagovailoa 
Justin Herbert 

Trade down targets: 
Austin Jackson 
Josh Jones 
Jordan Elliot 
Grant Delpit 
Xavier McKinney 
Curtis Weaver 
 

hey Verge, you got any opinions of some players you've looked at yet?

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10 minutes ago, sml1950 said:

So, let’s see, we have a QB coach who was brought in as an offensive assistant with Saban in 2018 and installed the RPO system with Tua.  We brought in an OC who installed the Saints offensive system to LSU and turned a JAG QB into the presumed No. 1 pick in the draft.  We brought in a HC who was given a 7 year contract and is tasked with building a sustainable winning team.  If these three guys identify someone that can be the centerpiece for this process they will do what it takes to get him.  If that person is Tua, they won’t just wait for him to drop to seven, they will need to go up to get him.  No way Washington trades out of 2, so it’s Detroit or NY.   Love to hear the conversation between Hurney/Gettleman if it comes down to that negotiation.

Honestly, I would not.

I think that we would need to get to 4 to get Tua if that's what this FO and coaching corps wants.  Miami would likely take him at 5 for sure.  I don't think that Detroit would pull the trigger, as it would be pretty hurtful to cut Stafford next year, and this year is a certain no to cut him.

To move to 4 I think you would have to give them the 7 and our 2nd this year, and possibly a late rounder next....

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It is going to come down to BPA between 4-6 players, IMO.

Here I am assuming the following will be gone:  Burrow, Young, Okudah definitely go before #7.  Brown, Thomas, Tua, Simmons, Herbert, Willis, Espenesa, and Jeudy will fill the next 3 spots, so make the big board (based on current needs) from this group.

1T. Thomas.  Grab the franchise LT and move Little inside.  2 birds, one pick.

1T. Brown.  The Panthers are likely to have 3 interior DT needs. Brown can play them all.

3. Simmons.  The Panthers could use a LB, I heard, and replacing a stud requires a stud.

4. Herbert.  This becomes #1 if Cam is not getting a contract offer in 2021.  If we keep Cam for 2020, then Herbert becomes a developmental player on the bench for a season.  I know, some hate him.  He has the skills.

5. Espenesa.  If we let Addison walk, Espenesa might be higher on the board.  We need that big, run stuffing, bull rushing DE--hopefully, he can develop some pass rush moves.

6. Jeudy.  A luxury pick, but what a way to complete the WR corps.  Moore, Jeudy, Sameul---oh my word.

 

 

 

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15 minutes ago, MHS831 said:

It is going to come down to BPA between 4-6 players, IMO.

Here I am assuming the following will be gone:  Burrow, Young, Okudah definitely go before #7.  Brown, Thomas, Tua, Simmons, Herbert, Willis, Espenesa, and Jeudy will fill the next 3 spots, so make the big board (based on current needs) from this group.

1T. Thomas.  Grab the franchise LT and move Little inside.  2 birds, one pick.

1T. Brown.  The Panthers are likely to have 3 interior DT needs. Brown can play them all.

3. Simmons.  The Panthers could use a LB, I heard, and replacing a stud requires a stud.

4. Herbert.  This becomes #1 if Cam is not getting a contract offer in 2021.  If we keep Cam for 2020, then Herbert becomes a developmental player on the bench for a season.  I know, some hate him.  He has the skills.

5. Espenesa.  If we let Addison walk, Espenesa might be higher on the board.  We need that big, run stuffing, bull rushing DE--hopefully, he can develop some pass rush moves.

6. Jeudy.  A luxury pick, but what a way to complete the WR corps.  Moore, Jeudy, Sameul---oh my word.

 

 

 

In regards to herbert.  Hell no.  I dont want my franchise quarterback to be a cerebral introvert that has been trying for 2 seasons to convince people he is a leader. 

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12 hours ago, Verge said:

Options at 7: 
Derick Brown 
Javon Kinlaw 
Mekhi Becton
Andrew Thomas 
Yetur Gross-Matos 
AJ Epenesa 
Tua Tagovailoa 
Justin Herbert 

Trade down targets: 
Austin Jackson 
Josh Jones 
Jordan Elliot 
Grant Delpit 
Xavier McKinney 
Curtis Weaver 
 

 

Your first group has 8 players, not to mention Young, Burrow, Simmons, and Okuda.  That 12 players total, we cold trade down and still get one of those 8.

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41 minutes ago, Verge said:

I've looked at a lot, did you have anyone in mind?

I know it's still early, but

Thomas.  Do you think he is a legit plug and play LT?   Is there anyone else?  Becton?

Simmons.  He had a great championship game, but I didn't even know him at the start of the season.  Is he the real deal?

I assume you think D. Brown is very worthy of a 7th pick.  

Epenesa.  He seems to be rising pre-combine.  DE's are hard to find...if the above 3 are gone, is he worth a 7th?

 

And in your trade-down targets, you mention both safeties who I don't want in the first and probably not even in the second.  They both have more glaring flaws imho than most 1st round picks.  

I know you'll be posting more after the combine.  Just bored.

 

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8 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

In regards to herbert.  Hell no.  I dont want my franchise quarterback to be a cerebral introvert that has been trying for 2 seasons to convince people he is a leader. 

I dont want him because Oregon has a long history of QB busts.  He had a good SR bowl and he seemed to have teammate respect there, for all I could see.  They may agree with you, but his skill set is unquestionable.  Yet you are right--mentally he has some challenges ahead.  If I am taking a project,  I do it in the second round.  I am guessing 4 go in the first.

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1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

I dont want him because Oregon has a long history of QB busts.  He had a good SR bowl and he seemed to have teammate respect there, for all I could see.  They may agree with you, but his skill set is unquestionable.  Yet you are right--mentally he has some challenges ahead.  If I am taking a project,  I do it in the second round.  I am guessing 4 go in the first.

He threw for 93 yards.

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1 hour ago, MHS831 said:

I dont want him because Oregon has a long history of QB busts.  He had a good SR bowl and he seemed to have teammate respect there, for all I could see.  They may agree with you, but his skill set is unquestionable.  Yet you are right--mentally he has some challenges ahead.  If I am taking a project,  I do it in the second round.  I am guessing 4 go in the first.

Also we took a project last year REMEMBER!? NO qbs in this draft please

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