ESPN ranks the 2019 rookie classes

[DaveThePanther2008]

16 hours ago, PanthersBigD said:

So injuries and bad coaching are Hurney's fault? I want him replaced as bad as anyone, but anyone dogging him for the rookie performances this year is being silly. 

Burns - Had a great start until he broke his hand throwing a tantrum. He'll be back and will get better. Ron should have played him more. 

Little - Two concussions, nothing Hurney could do about that. 

Grier - The Turners campaigned hard for this guy according to some. Wish they would have taken him to DC with them. Still, we're stuck with him on his rookie contract, so it'll be interesting to see if he progresses under new coaching.

Christian Miller - Hurt a bunch, but looked good when he was on the field. We're getting a new Sports Conditioning staff. Hallelujah. 

Jordan Scarlett - Not sure why the Rivera/Turner brain trust never used this bowling ball of a running back. He looked good in the few times he was on the field. 

Dennis Daley - SIXTH ROUNDER from a small school, thrown into the LT spot on a terrible line. Still he looked good toward the beginning. We have to hope the new regime can get him coached up. If so, he might be a steal. 

Terry Godwin - Meh. 

 

Rating 1st and 2nd round picks in the first year. Maybe.

The whole class is asinine.  All your points are spot on and most of these picks have the potential to be good or, at minimum, serviceable. 

[PanthersBigD]

2 hours ago, Xtreme said:

South Carolina is a small school? 

He spent one year at USC. Before that he was at a military college due to poor grades. 

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

I just realized this ranking system isn't about actually ranking the rookies on skill, potential, etc.

Its literally about ranking rookie classes on their production their rookie year.

Suddenly, I don't care.  Because I find that an extremely silly and out of context ranking system.

People can dislike Hurney, I don't care.  But pretending that Hurney is at fault for Burns when Burns *injured himself* or Hurney is at fault for Little getting concussioned.  Is silly at best.

Hurney made enough mistakes in the past that are legit issues without making up things to complain about.  When you attribute something to someone that isn't his actual fault, it makes people disbelieve legit points.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

I just realized this ranking system isn't about actually ranking the rookies on skill, potential, etc.

Its literally about ranking rookie classes on their production their rookie year.

Suddenly, I don't care.  Because I find that an extremely silly and out of context ranking system.

People can dislike Hurney, I don't care.  But pretending that Hurney is at fault for Burns when Burns *injured himself* or Hurney is at fault for Little getting concussioned.  Is silly at best.

There were legit concerns about Burns and his weight in regards to the nfl pre draft.  This concern was magnified once burns returned and teams knew he couldnt stop the run.  Whether he can gain enough weight and keep the speed to off set this I do not know.  But off the top of my head I cannot think of many players that it.  Bruce Irvin maybe, he had the same kindof rep as a one trick pony but he played a bit of LB.

 

Little was all over the map in the rankings pre draft.  He had plenty of negatives and was/is viewed as a project.  The trading up for him was crazy.  I dont think anyone is putting the injury or concussion on Hurney just that even a healthy Little probably isnt helping any in the short term and extremely debatable for the long term.  But after 2 concussions something tells me he is not long for this league.

 

Personally I would prefer my LT not to be a project and to be NFL ready.  Clearly the panthers in the past do not agree with this idea but hopefully since Rhule has spent time as a line coach he sees Thomas (or whoever) as a NFL ready plug him in and forget it for 10 years type player.  Pick thomas and be done.  Use little and daley as depth.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

There were legit concerns about Burns and his weight in regards to the nfl pre draft.  This concern was magnified once burns returned and teams knew he couldnt stop the run.  Whether he can gain enough weight and keep the speed to off set this I do not know.  But off the top of my head I cannot think of many players that it.  Bruce Irvin maybe, he had the same kindof rep as a one trick pony but he played a bit of LB.

And none of that has to do with:

A) Burns literally injuring himself during a non play action.  (slamming his wrist on the ground). Which caused him to miss weeks.  

B) Rivera and Co refusing to play him once healthy, despite getting regular pressure on the snaps he did play.

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Little was all over the map in the rankings pre draft.  He had plenty of negatives and was/is viewed as a project.  The trading up for him was crazy.  I dont think anyone is putting the injury or concussion on Hurney just that even a healthy Little probably isnt helping any in the short term and extremely debatable for the long term.  But after 2 concussions something tells me he is not long for this league.

And Little's lack of production was 100% based on his concussions.  Something you could not predict before hand.

This is my point.  The reason they had lack of production was not through anything you could have reasoned out before.  It had nothing to do with the GM.  They were self inflicted or medical issues you wouldn't know about unless you could see the future.

So if you are going to blame Hurney for Burns/Little lack of production...you are literally blaming Hurney for Burns injuring himself and Little getting concussed. 

[mrcompletely11]

Thats not true at all.

 

Rivera and Co refused to play him because he was a liability. 

 

And I am not sure how you can say Littles lack of production was because of his concussions when there were concerns about it predraft.

 

The mere fact that you are defending Hurney and this draft pretty much tells me all I need to know.  The proof is in the pudding in regards to hurney and this roster.  We are beginning a rebuild because the way he built this team.  

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

And I am not sure how you can say Littles lack of production was because of his concussions when there were concerns about it predraft.

Greg Little only played 4 games last year. 

You don't feel being injured was the number 1 reason his season long production was low?

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

The mere fact that you are defending Hurney and this draft pretty much tells me all I need to know

I guess I don't want to live in a fantasy land.  Hurney has made plenty of mistakes.  But being delusional and laying *every single thing* at his feet, things he had nothing to do with.  Is stupid.

I sincerely expect there to be a threat talking about the weather, and how a thunderstorm is Hurney's fault at this point.  People don't want to actually look at this situation rationally, and just want to pop blame on an easy scapegoat.

When you are unable to rationally look at the problem, you are unable to rationally offer a solution.

[Waldo]

They do say the best ability is availability. 2 concusions and IRed for a high ankle sprain with subpar production when healthy is at best a ?. Little's best game was the one where PFF gave him a decent grade but missed an obvious strip sack he was resposible for. The 6th round pick looked better and he is a backup quality.

The best thing we have going for last years draft is new coaches. Hopefully they can coachup and scheme away from some weaknesses.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

4 minutes ago, Waldo said:

They do say the best ability is availability. 2 concusions and IRed for a high ankle sprain with subpar production when healthy is at best a ?. Little's best game was the one where PFF gave him a decent grade but missed an obvious strip sack he was resposible for. The 6th round pick looked better and he is a backup quality.

And I am not disagreeing there.

Only with the notion that it was Hurney's fault we got so little production from our top draft picks.  

[Waldo]

Just now, Tepper's Chest Hair said:

And I am not disagreeing there.

Only with the notion that it was Hurney's fault we got so little production from our top draft picks.  

Solely responsible for production? I agree no. But he was invloved in meetings and discussions. He isn't the whole pie but he is a big ol' slice of it. His part of it is not impresive or positive.

[kungfoodude]

20 hours ago, 4Corners said:

He also allowed and encouraged several posters to personally attack me with insults and threats. All because he didn’t like my opinion on something. Ah, the internet. 

Well, you are objectively one of the worst posters on this forum.

[Tepper's Chest Hair]

24 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Solely responsible for production? I agree no. But he was invloved in meetings and discussions. He isn't the whole pie but he is a big ol' slice of it. His part of it is not impresive or positive

But how exactly how big of a piece..considering the overwhelmingly main reason their production was so low is that they were injured?

I can't imagine its much more than a small sliver.

Unless you are implying that there was information shared in those predraft meetings and discussions where information came out that Burns would have a tendency to injure himself and Little would be highly susceptible to concussions?

You can not like the picks.  I don't care.  I can accept that.  You can think others should have been picked. 

But in the context of this thread/conversation.  Its irrelevant.  This is purely about grading production of rookies their rookie year.  Not grading potential.  Not grading skill level.  Production.

And the reason their production was low was not anything related to Hurney.  It was due to injuries.

[raleigh-panther]

21 hours ago, PanthersBigD said:

So injuries and bad coaching are Hurney's fault? I want him replaced as bad as anyone, but anyone dogging him for the rookie performances this year is being silly. 

Burns - Had a great start until he broke his hand throwing a tantrum. He'll be back and will get better. Ron should have played him more. 

Little - Two concussions, nothing Hurney could do about that. 

Grier - The Turners campaigned hard for this guy according to some. Wish they would have taken him to DC with them. Still, we're stuck with him on his rookie contract, so it'll be interesting to see if he progresses under new coaching.

Christian Miller - Hurt a bunch, but looked good when he was on the field. We're getting a new Sports Conditioning staff. Hallelujah. 

Jordan Scarlett - Not sure why the Rivera/Turner brain trust never used this bowling ball of a running back. He looked good in the few times he was on the field. 

Dennis Daley - SIXTH ROUNDER from a small school, thrown into the LT spot on a terrible line. Still he looked good toward the beginning. We have to hope the new regime can get him coached up. If so, he might be a steal. 

Terry Godwin - Meh. 

 

Yeah, because we have only ‘this year’ to evaluate his performance 

[4Corners]

41 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Well, you are objectively one of the worst posters on this forum.

Are you that same bozo who called me a part of the “deep state” of the huddle? GTFO