Burrow and the Bengals

[panthers55]

11 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

It's his track record. That's the kind of GM he is thats always been his strategy and hes done it multiple times. You want a recent example (Little) and then contradict yourself by saying it's too soon to judge that pick so..????

That may have been the GM he was but that isn't who he is now  People change....... It is an amazing concept. You want to be known for what you did or knew a decade ago or have you changed at well in the.last decade.  As for Little I think he will be good if he can play more upright instead of leaning forward which increases helmet to helmet contacts and the possibilities of concussions.  There is nothing contradictory in not judging a rookie until he has played a few seasons. Did you miss football 101 where they remind you not to judge a player until after a few years in the league? I mentioned Benjamin but I guess that didn't fit your agenda.

[Mr Mojo Risin]

21 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

That may have been the GM he was but that isn't who he he now  People change....... It is an amazing concept. You want to be known for what you did or knew a decade ago or have you changed at well in the.last decade.  As for Little I think he will be good if he can play more upright instead of leaning forward which increases helmet to helmet contacts and the possibilities of concussions.  There is nothing contradictory in not judging a rookie until he has played a few seasons. Did you miss football 101 where they remind you not to judge a player until after a few years in the league? I mentioned Benjamin but I guess that didn't fit your agenda.

When you make a trade like Hurney did for little what's the point in trading up for a developmental player who may never develop? If you're going to trade up in the second for a guy hes got to be at LEAST serviceable and show something. Little showed us well...nothing. Hurneys track record has PROVEN everything I've said. There's a reason his picks outside of the first round have been so heavily scrutinized. You want to believe some fairy tale to make yourself feel better about the kind of GM he is and all of the fail ass picks hes traded up for and missed on. Im sorry but I look at FACTS. And the FACT is not once has he ever traded up successfully and drafted a solid player outside of the first round. Never happened. Go ahead and prove me wrong, I'll wait. No more fairy tales though only facts.

And we fleeced who in the Benjamin trade? Last I checked Gaulden isnt on the roster anymore. So those draft picks were essentially useless either way (thanks Hurney) honestly that just proves me right even more at Hurneys ineptness outside of the first round, thanks for the Football 101, I guess?

 

[BrizzMachete]

I been saying the bengals should take chase young . Joe Burrow isn’t a generational talent . He’s very good tho . System based player . I don’t think you can just plug him in any ole team and they improve leaps and bounds . Just look at his numbers before Joe Brady got his hands on him . Burrow def a top ten pick tho 

[Shocker]

Totally crazy if they pass on him.  Can’t imagine this happens.

Even if they asked for Cam and seven only for that pick I couldn’t do that to Cam.  Too cold blooded.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

When you make a trade like Hurney did for little what's the point in trading up for a developmental player who may never develop? If you're going to trade up in the second for a guy hes got to be at LEAST serviceable and show something. Little showed us well...nothing. Hurneys track record has PROVEN everything I've said. There's a reason his picks outside of the first round have been so heavily scrutinized. You want to believe some fairy tale to make yourself feel better about the kind of GM he is and all of the fail ass picks hes traded up for and missed on. Im sorry but I look at FACTS. And the FACT is not once has he ever traded up successfully and drafted a solid player outside of the first round. Never happened. Go ahead and prove me wrong, I'll wait. No more fairy tales though only facts.

And we fleeced who in the Benjamin trade? Last I checked Gaulden isnt on the roster anymore. So those draft picks were essentially useless either way (thanks Hurney) honestly that just proves me right even more at Hurneys ineptness outside of the first round, thanks for the Football 101, I guess?

 

Little played well for a rookie considering all the time he lost. But the injuries were concerning though and could hurt his career   He missed alot of practice and  that hurt his transition to the pros. But trading up a few spots in the same round cost us number 77 in the draft.  You make that sound heinous when we may have found our left tackle of the future.  Hardly a steep price or a foolish move. How can you be a Panther fan and argue against an attempt to actually fix the left tackle position. If there was a great tackle out there I would move up again to get him this draft .  Check out the thread on the offensive line and a discussion about Little. It isn't just me saying it 

[Raleigh PF]

Even the Bengals can't mess up this pick...

 

...can they?

[Mr Mojo Risin]

18 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Little played well for a rookie considering all the time he lost. But the injuries were concerning though and could hurt his career   He missed alot of practice and  that hurt his transition to the pros. But trading up a few spots in the same round cost us number 77 in the draft.  You make that sound heinous when we may have found our left tackle of the future.  Hardly a steep price or a foolish move. How can you be a Panther fan and argue against an attempt to actually fix the left tackle position. If there was a great tackle out there I would move up again to get him.  At the time it was considered well worth it.  I hope he comes back strong this year.

https://www.derp/2019/4/29/18521554/carolina-panthers-nfl-draft-2019-2nd-round-pick-review-greg-little-ole-miss

Is it possible Little turns into a solid lineman for us? Absolutely  but how much of a gamble are we willing to take? You willing to give up the top OT in this years draft if hes there and Derrick Brown is gone? I dont think he showed us enough YET to be the LT of the future. And if Cam is in fact staying I dont know if they will gamble on that. I'd almost put Little and Daley about neck and neck however one was a 2nd rounder in which we traded up 10 spots for. No other OT was taken between the Panthers original spot and the spot we moved up to draft him from. The Broncos took an OT but planned to play him at OG in which they did and he went on to start 16/16 games. Played 100% of the snaps except for 1 game. That's the kind of potential you are looking for when trading up in the 2nd like we did. Even if they dont play the best it's good to see them make it through a full 16. We could have probably stayed put and kept the 77th pick and still got Little but you know, Hurney gonna Hurney.

At the end of the day the staff will decide what's best to do with the current state of the OL. I just dont think we can pass up on a potential book end on the OL for the next 5 years. It isnt too often we're in a position to draft the top OT prospect.

[stbugs]

21 hours ago, hepcat said:

So you think without those moves either of those teams still would’ve gotten where they did?

Exactly. Wentz was the MVP front runner and the Eagles were 11-2 with him before he got hurt. Acting like Foles took a bad team and played better than Wentz is a fallacy. Just like Hostetler and Simms. Both backups played well but they weren’t doing better than the guys they replaced. They are just examples for people who want to say you don’t need a 1st round QB when both took over teams that were already a combined 22-5 with their 1st round starting QBs.

[panthers55]

9 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Is it possible Little turns into a solid lineman for us? Absolutely  but how much of a gamble are we willing to take? You willing to give up the top OT in this years draft if hes there and Derrick Brown is gone? I dont think he showed us enough YET to be the LT of the future. And if Cam is in fact staying I dont know if they will gamble on that. I'd almost put Little and Daley about neck and neck however one was a 2nd rounder in which we traded up 10 spots for. No other OT was taken between the Panthers original spot and the spot we moved up to draft him from. The Broncos took an OT but planned to play him at OG in which they did. We could have probably stayed put and kept the 77th pick and still got Little but you know, Hurney gonna Hurney.

At the end of the day the staff will decide what's best to do with the current state of the OL. I just dont think we can pass up on a potential book end on the OL for the next 5 years. It isnt too often we're in a position to draft the top OT prospect.

So all of this angst over moving up 10 spots to find a potential left  tackle and  suddenly Hurney is incompetent and is going to make another Brown or Edwards mistske. Do you even read what you write. It makes no sense at all and appears to make a mountain out of a molehill. And the only thing you said that did make sense was taking another O linemen in the draft. Actually I hope we pick up a few free agents as well as some draft picks on both lines as that seems to be a glaring problem. 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

4 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

So all of this angst over moving up 10 spots to find a potential left  tackle and  suddenly Hurney is incompetent and is going to make another Brown or Edwards mistske. Do you even read what you write. It makes no sense at all and appears to make a mountain out of a molehill.

Not only is Little a question mark from a talent stand point but he also has durability concerns. And again this is just ONE of MANY examples of Hurney trading up for a player that had no business being drafted where they were drafted at. You asked me for a recent example of Hurney trading up to draft a player he likely could have gotten if he stayed at the original pick. I did that. You are the one who is CONSTANTLY contradicting yourself so I think the question is do YOU even READ what YOU write?

[stbugs]

8 minutes ago, Mr Mojo Risin said:

Is it possible Little turns into a solid lineman for us? Absolutely  but how much of a gamble are we willing to take? You willing to give up the top OT in this years draft if hes there and Derrick Brown is gone? I dont think he showed us enough YET to be the LT of the future. And if Cam is in fact staying I dont know if they will gamble on that. I'd almost put Little and Daley about neck and neck however one was a 2nd rounder in which we traded up 10 spots for. No other OT was taken between the Panthers original spot and the spot we moved up to draft him from. The Broncos took an OT but planned to play him at OG in which they did and he went on to start 16/16 games. Played 100% of the snaps except for 1 game. That's the kind of potential you are looking for when trading up in the 2nd like we did. Even if they dont play the best it's good to see them make it through a full 16. We could have probably stayed put and kept the 77th pick and still got Little but you know, Hurney gonna Hurney.

At the end of the day the staff will decide what's best to do with the current state of the OL. I just dont think we can pass up on a potential book end on the OL for the next 5 years. It isnt too often we're in a position to draft the top OT prospect.

Agree 100%. I’m sure someone leaked a hey we want Little and Marty jumped at the bait. We gave up way too much. 77 should have gotten us to the end of the 1st and 77 is a potential starting interior OL. Little would have been there at 47 and IMHO there was actually a chance he would have been there at 77. Orlando Brown, a much more highly touted college tackle went 83 after his fall from grace. We should have taken McCoy at C at 47 and if Marty still loved Little trade 77 and 100 (Grier was a complete waste) for Little. I’d be more than willing to sit through a couple years of learning for Little, but at pick 37, he’s already considered a starter and shouldn’t give up 14 pressures and 2 sacks in one game. That makes speed bump look like a wall.

[mrcompletely11]

7 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

So all of this angst over moving up 10 spots to find a potential left  tackle and  suddenly Hurney is incompetent and is going to make another Brown or Edwards mistske. Do you even read what you write. It makes no sense at all and appears to make a mountain out of a molehill. And the only thing you said that did make sense was taking another O linemen in the draft. Actually I hope we pick up a few free agents as well as some draft picks on both lines as that seems to be a glaring problem. 

This is some weird shtick 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

2 minutes ago, stbugs said:

Agree 100%. I’m sure someone leaked a hey we want Little and Marty jumped at the bait. We gave up way too much. 77 should have gotten us to the end of the 1st and 77 is a potential starting interior OL. Little would have been there at 47 and IMHO there was actually a chance he would have been there at 77. Orlando Brown, a much more highly touted college tackle went 83 after his fall from grace. We should have taken McCoy at C at 47 and if Marty still loved Little trade 77 and 100 (Grier was a complete waste) for Little. I’d be more than willing to sit through a couple years of learning for Little, but at pick 37, he’s already considered a starter and shouldn’t give up 14 pressures and 2 sacks in one game. That makes speed bump look like a wall.

We drafted Daley in the 6th who gave us better production and showed the same potential if not more than a guy we traded up for taken 4 rounds earlier. It was a bad pick regardless if Little works out or not and this isnt abnormal for Hurney he does the same thing every single draft

[stbugs]

10 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

So all of this angst over moving up 10 spots to find a potential left  tackle and  suddenly Hurney is incompetent and is going to make another Brown or Edwards mistske. Do you even read what you write. It makes no sense at all and appears to make a mountain out of a molehill. And the only thing you said that did make sense was taking another O linemen in the draft. Actually I hope we pick up a few free agents as well as some draft picks on both lines as that seems to be a glaring problem. 

We traded away picks 47 and 77 for a raw prospect who only made it to four games and looked like Byron Bell with both hands tied behind his back for one game. The Saints took McCoy at 48 and likely have Ryan Kalil for a decade. The Broncos took Risner at 41 and likely have their Norwell (our version) for a decade. Both of them were touted in this forum and Little was not. The 2020 draft is tackle loaded, way better than 2019. Hurney got tunnel vision and completely messed up and the huddle for all our glory looks correct.