DT vs. OT

[Wes21]

If given only those 2 choices, I take the DT.  I know some people get excited about the prospect of taking offensive lineman early in the 1st round, but I'm not one of them.

[The Huddler]

34 minutes ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

If said rookie is an upgrade, or if there is a FA vet who would be, can you give a compelling argument why it would still be okay to risk Cam’s future banking on an acceptable performance by Little?

banking on a Rookie to be an instant upgrade is as big of a risk as banking on Little. 

 

proven FA? Im all for. Id rather do that. 

[Wes21]

3 minutes ago, The Huddler said:

banking on a Rookie to be an instant upgrade is as big of a risk as banking on Little. 

 

proven FA? Im all for. Id rather do that. 

"Proven" OTs don't hit FA very often.  When they do, there tends to be a reason for it.

[ForJimmy]

Veteran LG will do wonders for our line. We have youth and potential in Daley and Little. At DT we have nothing but Short. Short and Brown can give that push in the middle to keep players like Burns from getting doubled. Not to mention they would keep linemen off Shaq so he can run free. I think you draft Brown and try to sign a solid veteran LG to help your young LTs. Both lines would be instantly better.

[Pantha-kun]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

Veteran LG will do wonders for our line. We have youth and potential in Daley and Little. At DT we have nothing but Short. Short and Brown can give that push in the middle to keep players like Burns from getting doubled. Not to mention they would keep linemen off Shaq so he can run free. I think you draft Brown and try to sign a solid veteran LG to help your young LTs. Both lines would be instantly better.

was LG a problem last year? I noticed Paradis getting abused even more than Daryll Williams this past season. If youve got a shitty center that compromises the entire line. Even Moton wasn't doing so hot for a lot of the season. 

[The Huddler]

6 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

"Proven" OTs don't hit FA very often.  When they do, there tends to be a reason for it.

ok, then might as well bank on an improving Little than drafting another OT with potential. 

 

OTs frequently bust, and even the best OTs usually deal with a steep learning curve and a period if struggle before getting better. 

 

the odds of drafting an instant impact player at OT are slim.  id bet money a 2nd year Greg Little would perform better than a rookie OT. 

 

its not the instant fix you all think it is. its just not. 

[Pantha-kun]

There's really no guarantee that Derrick Brown or any drafted player for that matter will be good. I just hope Hurney makes the right choice whatever that might be. 

I think the key is we aren't one player away anywhere on our roster, holes everywhere besides RB and maybe WR (even there we could use bigger bodied contested catch man). CMC and DJ may have been the only real bright spots in 2019. 

Really if we want to be competitive sooner rather than later, then youd have to really hope for a change Hurney gets a really good complete draft with contributors in all rounds. Just pick 7 wont even be enough to put us over .500 imo. 

The only wild card is if Cam is totally healthy for a year and he comes back and balls out. QB is the one position where you can win games on the basis of one player 

[1of10Charnatives]

15 minutes ago, The Huddler said:

banking on a Rookie to be an instant upgrade is as big of a risk as banking on Little. 

We might have to agree to disagree on this point. I see Little's rookie season, which combined multiple concussions with shaky performances when he wasn't injured (which to be fair to Little, concussions made it harder for him) as making him a huge risk to depend on. He might be fine, but I would consider that a lot less likely to happen than getting an acceptable rookie performance out of a legit top 10 tackle prospect like say Thomas.

[Pantha-kun]

Just now, 1of10Charnatives said:

We might have to agree to disagree on this point. I see Little's rookie season, which combined multiple concussions with shaky performances when he wasn't injured (which to be fair to Little, concussions made it harder for him) as making him a huge risk to depend on. He might be fine, but I would consider that a lot less likely to happen than getting an acceptable rookie performance out of a legit top 10 tackle prospect like say Thomas.

hard to argue with that. We saw with Michael Oher how multiple concussions can totally derail an Olinemans career.  Hes just as risky as a newly drafted top 3 OT wed get in 2020 draft.

[The Huddler]

1 minute ago, 1of10Charnatives said:

We might have to agree to disagree on this point. I see Little's rookie season, which combined multiple concussions with shaky performances when he wasn't injured (which to be fair to Little, concussions made it harder for him) as making him a huge risk to depend on. He might be fine, but I would consider that a lot less likely to happen than getting an acceptable rookie performance out of a legit top 10 tackle prospect like say Thomas.

agreed to disagree

 

if you are sent to the store by your wife with an ingredient list for a cake, but a limited budget, and don't need eggs cause you already have eggs at home..  are you going to pick up more eggs and not have enough money to get another essential ingredient like baking soda or flour? 

 

cause thats what a Rookie OT is. fresh eggs from the store. unproven potential when you already have that in the fridge. unproven potential. and then youd gave a flat ass cake too

[GoPanthers123]

Our OL depth was exposed last season and then we went from scoring 30 a game to barely getting double digits.  That is not a coincidence.  Just stockpile good OL and let them compete to start, because we don’t have depth anyway.

[Panthers.forever190]

Thomas bc left tackle for us has been a thorn in our side for a looooong time. & as of now when 2021 rolls around, we've only got Daley and little as our only ot's under contract. Not worried about dt as much bc our two dt's can be short and McCoy. Assuming we  go back to 43......

[cmichd]

3 hours ago, The Huddler said:

I want to give Little a chance to develop in what will most likely be a rebuilding year. 

 

giving up on Little, especially considering the circumstances, is premature. 

He didn't show me much in preseason and I never saw him dominant one edge rusher he went up against.  The one rook he went up against tore him a new one in that Atlanta home game.  Beat that boy ragged.  I think he broke his ankles two or three times getting to Kyle.  He might make a good backup but other than that put him at LG and see what he can do.  I don't want to bet another year having the blind side be a flood gate for the DE's of the opposing team.

[d-dave]

Rhule and Hurney are going to have a lot of work to do as they figure out what they really want and need to do to improve the roster.

How big of an issue is OT compared to G to C?  You also have to get the best possible player you can.  Top 10 needs to be an impact starter.  That's the rub.

Little has some good plays when he was in, but concussions ruined his year.  Will he be able to bounce back?  If we can't count on him moving forward due to the injuries, then you need another option.  I am really concerned about Paradis.  He did not look good very much last year.

So I personally think that you have to trade down.  If Tua starts falling, see what you can get for 7 and move down.  Pick the best OL or DL in the draft then.