NFL: Free agency speculation

[t96]

30 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Their very own offensive version of Luke/TD and if Hurney hadn't pulled one of his classic idiotic restructures what should be Star/KK.

Dude, what??

 

Neither Coleman or Freeman were at any point anywhere near the players TD and Luke were. They really only excelled with Shanahan there and even then they weren’t world beaters (and you saw the Niners rushing attack now.... product of a great scheme, not great RBs).

[thefuzz]

6 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm sure plenty of us have worked for an employer that was disappointed with results and decided to talk to the employees.

The employees say, "Well, you need to hire more people and buy new and better equipment."

Bosses respond, "No, we don't want to do that. We just want you to work harder / longer / smarter and somehow produce better results."

Such bosses tend to be utter and complete morons, of course, but as unfair as it might be, being an idiot doesn't prevent you from succeeding in the corporate world. Heck, some might say it's a plus.

 

Basically, that's what it's like to work for a guy like Mike Brown or Dean Spanos.

I've had a lot of those through the years, and yes, they do tend to do really well....in the short term.

Always catches up though, as it should.

[t96]

7 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

If Dalton were on the Bears last year they were a playoff team. 

Maybe... Trubisky was terrible, but their coaching was even worse. Didn’t put talented players like rookie HB Montgomery or upside TE Burton into positions to succeed at all. D took a step back from the previous year too, especially Mack.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, t96 said:

Maybe... Trubisky was terrible, but their coaching was even worse. Didn’t put talented players like rookie HB Montgomery or upside TE Burton into positions to succeed at all. D took a step back from the previous year too, especially Mack.

Defenses are almost always up and down from year to year, it's why I would prefer to build a strong O vs. D for the future.

 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I've had a lot of those through the years, and yes, they do tend to do really well....in the short term.

Always catches up though, as it should.

The Cardinals went to a Super Bowl.

Even guys that are terrible at what they do occasionally get lucky.

(insert obvious reference here)

[Tbe]

6 minutes ago, Ship said:

This came up before about Tepper and the future of NFL contracts. The owners in the NFL are rich, obviously, but these teams are like family businesses and a lot of their wealth is tied up in the team itself and isn’t liquid to be used for coaches, other staff, and guaranteed player contracts. Richardson was another example of this. That’s why you see teams you think are stingy. I’m sure if more owners were independently billionaires unrelated to owning the football team, they wouldn’t seem that way. I’m sure ego and other things like trying to be shrewd businessmen when it comes to paying people come into play, but there’s also just the financial reality for a lot of owners that makes it hard.

Yep, I heard someone say once that Goodell makes more money than most nfl owners. 
 

This is why I’m optimistic about Tepper. Yes he’ll make mistakes, but he wants to win and doesn’t care about the cash flow from the team.  He’ll spend what he has to to create any advantage possible and he can spend more than most teams. In the long run, this will be good for us. 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, t96 said:

Dude, what??

 

Neither Coleman or Freeman were at any point anywhere near the players TD and Luke were. They really only excelled with Shanahan there and even then they weren’t world beaters (and you saw the Niners rushing attack now.... product of a great scheme, not great RBs).

Wasn't meant to be a direct comparison, just an example of how even when you seem stacked at a certain position a lot can change in very little time in this game. Luke retired at 28 and after looking set for the foreseeable future at DT with Star and KK, all of a sudden we find ourselves with what is probably the worst DT situation in the NFL with our only two DTs currently under contract aging, injured, and massively overpaid.

[Panther'sBigD]

41 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm sure plenty of us have worked for an employer that was disappointed with results and decided to talk to the employees.

The employees say, "Well, you need to hire more people and buy new and better equipment."

Bosses respond, "No, we don't want to do that. We just want you to work harder / longer / smarter and somehow produce better results."

Such bosses tend to be utter and complete morons, of course, but as unfair as it might be, being an idiot doesn't prevent you from succeeding in the corporate world. Heck, some might say it's a plus.

 

Basically, that's what it's like to work for a guy like Mike Brown or Dean Spanos.

Neither Mike Brown nor Dean Spanos succeeded in the corporate world. Both inherited their team and their money from their daddy. 

[Mr. Scot]

23 minutes ago, Panther'sBigD said:

Neither Mike Brown nor Dean Spanos succeeded in the corporate world. Both inherited their team and their money from their daddy. 

Yeah...Pretty sure you missed the point here.

[Mr. Scot]

Not free agency related but, nice try guys...

 

[Panther'sBigD]

8 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Yeah...Pretty sure you missed the point here.

Yeah...No. You made a poor comparison. 

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Panther'sBigD said:

Yeah...No. You made a poor comparison. 

The question was how is it that these guys can run teams without caring about winning. The "corporate world" illustration was to help explain how that happens.

The fact that you decided to point out that two NFL owners weren't part of the corporate world makes it pretty clear that the analogy went over your head. Fuzz, on the other hand, understood it pretty easily (as did others).

[Jared Patterson]

Tony Pauline reported today that 5 teams are heavily interested and involved with James Bradberry. One he listed was the Jets and the other....... Ron and the Redskins. He won't be a Panther if he gets to free agency. And I guess now we won't be franchising him so there's that.

[MHS831]

2 hours ago, Jared Patterson said:

Tony Pauline reported today that 5 teams are heavily interested and involved with James Bradberry. One he listed was the Jets and the other....... Ron and the Redskins. He won't be a Panther if he gets to free agency. And I guess now we won't be franchising him so there's that.

He is not worth the franchise tag--