Corona Virus

[4Corners]

50 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

The worst thing would be to start this process, incur the economic toll, then bail on it and get hammered then try to start it again. We haven't even reached to point it is mathematically possible to realize any benefits and people want to bail on it.

That’s what is going to happen. Whatever boneheaded idea pops in to president orange face while he is scrolling twitter on the toilet will be what happens 

[Moo Daeng]

4 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

That’s what is going to happen. Whatever boneheaded idea pops in to president orange face while he is scrolling twitter on the toilet will be what happens 

Though nothing has been federally mandated so far. So the states can still deal with it as they are currently.  Some Governors are doing great jobs. Just a really poor way for a country to deal with something. Hopefully a lot is learned from this and we get a capable leader with good intentions at some point. I don't care what party they come from but we desperately need a real one.

[cookinbrak]

Cases aren't skyrocketing, they were already here. Just like Italy's death toll doubling daily, people aren't dying exponentially, they were just finding the bodies. 

 

[stirs]

3 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Though nothing has been federally mandated so far. So the states can still deal with it as they are currently.  Some Governors are doing great jobs. Just a really poor way for a country to deal with something. Hopefully a lot is learned from this and we get a capable leader with good intentions at some point. I don't care what party they come from but we desperately need a real one.

Probably good that we are set up with governors.

Every state is different, and every state should not necessarily be doing the exact same measures.  NYC is not Wyoming.  Each governor will be graded on how he handled in his state.  Each day, they have a call with all governors to see what is needed.

[Moo Daeng]

9 minutes ago, stirs said:

Probably good that we are set up with governors.

Every state is different, and every state should not necessarily be doing the exact same measures.  NYC is not Wyoming.  Each governor will be graded on how he handled in his state.  Each day, they have a call with all governors to see what is needed.

Sure it does have it's benefits. But having a Federal void isn't helping.

[Wes21]

28 minutes ago, Moo Daeng said:

Sure it does have it's benefits. But having a Federal void isn't helping.

The federal isn't void, the states have just done a good job of convincing people that they don't have a higher responsibility in all of this.  Our country is set up in a particular way, and our local and state governments are on the front lines of this.  The feds are there to assist, not take over every hospital in every city in the entire country.

[LinvilleGorge]

Our county goes to shelter in place restrictions on Thursday. That pretty much means the majority of the Denver metro area is on lockdown. That'll be Denver, Adams, Arapahoe, Douglas, Boulder and Jefferson counties all with shelter in place mandates.

[Bostonheelfish]

37 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

The federal isn't void, the states have just done a good job of convincing people that they don't have a higher responsibility in all of this.  Our country is set up in a particular way, and our local and state governments are on the front lines of this.  The feds are there to assist, not take over every hospital in every city in the entire country.

Nobody is asking the federal government to take over every hospital right now.  Supplies are low, and the federal government can come in and help boost production, and stop price gouging.  The federal government can also allocate additional resources to states on a state by state basis based on needs at specific times. This isn’t difficult, every part of the government needs to help. A national health emergency is not the time to stand on loose principles if it means people die.  

Edited March 25, 2020 by Bostonheelfish

[stirs]

How many governors out of the 50 are complaining that they are getting no assistance?

[stirs]

NC had its first reported fatalities today because of virus.  2 people.  One from Cabarrus County and one who was traveling through the state from VA.  So one resident

Edited March 25, 2020 by stirs

[Bostonheelfish]

39 minutes ago, stirs said:

How many governors out of the 50 are complaining that they are getting no assistance?

The virus hasn't even come close to peaking in NYC yet, other states won't need assistance until much later, so governors are not asking yet because the need isn't there, and if there aren't enough tests, it's harder to know exactly how many people are infected currently.  The federal gov't sent 4,000 ventilators to NY state when they need 30,000.  The issue isn't whether the fed has done anything, it's whether the fed has done any where close to what is needed to help save the lives of 3.3 million people (this is 1% of the U.S. population).

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Bostonheelfish said:

The virus hasn't even come close to peaking in NYC yet, other states won't need assistance until much later, so governors are not asking yet because the need isn't there, and if there aren't enough tests, it's harder to know exactly how many people are infected currently.  The federal gov't sent 4,000 ventilators to NY state when they need 30,000.  The issue isn't whether the fed has done anything, it's whether the fed has done any where close to what is needed to help save the lives of 3.3 million people (this is 1% of the U.S. population).

The federal government has massively dropped the ball, but does anyone really think that they're sitting on massive warehouses stacked wall to wall and floor to ceiling with ventilators?

The ball was dropped on the mitigation effort. Now we're forced to try to catch up on the treatment side and it's just not possible.

[stirs]

The Fed is a genie, you rub their belly and poof. 500k ventilators appear.  You know, cause everyone knew for the last 50 years that they should have warehouses full of these.

This is not anything that any gov has planned for.  Since budgets mean nothing anymore, I guess they can buy warehouses and put 400 million rolls of toilet paper in them for the next unseen virus, in case it affects the GI tract.

And so on and so on.

I am not a Trump fan, nor did I vote for him, but the finger pointing, with no thought beyond Twitter "knowledge" is pretty awesome to watch.

[stirs]

5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

The federal government has massively dropped the ball, but does anyone really think that they're sitting on massive warehouses stacked wall to wall and floor to ceiling with ventilators?

The ball was dropped on the mitigation effort. Now we're forced to try to catch up on the treatment side and it's just not possible.

You were watching me type my response, haha. 2 seconds apart