A failure to trade Christian McCaffrey will cost us Trevor or Fields

[bobowilson]

1 minute ago, jfra78 said:

McCaffery doesnt win or lose games on his own.  We literally force fed him the last 3 games and he won none. 

Ok, then why pay him 20 million a year?

 

[jfra78]

1 minute ago, bobowilson said:

Ok, then why pay him 20 million a year?

 

Exactly

[TheRed]

At this point any and every option should be on the table for this franchise.

"iT's A bUsInEsS"

[stbugs]

3 minutes ago, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

sticking with a quarterback like bridgewater is the doomsday scenario for those people lol. it was hard enough on them with cam when he was playing at an mvp level for their alleged favorite team. though fields would be a nightmare as well so they might appreciate a few meaningless wins if it pushes him out of reach.

 

I agree with line one then you lost me with your racist rants. I loved having Cam. 2015 was an amazing experience until the SB. I was in a resort in the Caribbean watching the NFC Championship game. Couldn’t have been a better game to watch. Amazing that you can insinuate racism even with the Fields comment. Maybe, just maybe some of us see the dire straights in the D, don’t think 2015 Cam is ever coming back and know that strapping ourselves to a $35-40M Cam contract means the next four years would be just like the last four.

The racism poo is old. It must be a sad life when that’s all you can fall back on about Cam. Must be racists not people who have lived through the last four years of injuries.

[La Pantera]

I don't like Trevor Lawrence. I must be da rasists too.

[GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER]

4 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I agree with line one then you lost me with your racist rants. I loved having Cam. 2015 was an amazing experience until the SB. I was in a resort in the Caribbean watching the NFC Championship game. Couldn’t have been a better game to watch. Amazing that you can insinuate racism even with the Fields comment. Maybe, just maybe some of us see the dire straights in the D, don’t think 2015 Cam is ever coming back and know that strapping ourselves to a $35-40M Cam contract means the next four years would be just like the last four.

The racism poo is old. It must be a sad life when that’s all you can fall back on about Cam. Must be racists not people who have lived through the last four years of injuries.

injuries are a part of football and the panthers are at least attempting to replace cam with a guy who you could say has ticking time bombs for knees if that time bomb hadn't already gone off once before lol. it's not about injuries, everyone looked the other way while luke repeatedly injured himself and clearly played hurt and poorly. cam was and still is worth the risk to a team whose only alternative to taking that "risk" is tanking. if you can't detect the racial animus in this fanbase then that is on you. but it's there and whiny posts like this won't change it. in fact the biggest culprits love it when you pretend they don't even exist. funny how that works.

[stbugs]

1 minute ago, La Pantera said:

I don't like Trevor Lawrence. I must be da rasists too.

That’s fine too. I like Fields and Newman looks promising too. I think the 2021 QB class looks solid that’s where I want to find the next Manning or Cam or Rodgers, whatever.

That said, pretty bad post trying to back up his garbage post about us fans who don’t like black QBs because we are ready to move on from Cam. I just want the best rookie QB I can get and I don’t like Herbert or Love. Has nothing to do with race. I think Lawrence and Fields are better than all the QBs this draft. I would have left Tua in there but he’s an injury risk.

[stbugs]

Just now, GOOGLE JIM BOB COOTER said:

injuries are a part of football and the panthers are at least attempting to replace cam with a guy who you could say has ticking time bombs for knees if that time bomb hadn't already gone off once before lol. it's not about injuries, everyone looked the other way while luke repeatedly injured himself and clearly played hurt and poorly. cam was and still is worth the risk to a team whose only alternative to taking that "risk" is tanking. if you can't detect the racial animus in this fanbase then that is on you. but it's there and whiny posts like this won't change it. in fact the biggest culprits love it when you pretend they don't even exist. funny how that works.

Well, first Luke hasn’t missed near the same time and has also played at a much higher level the past couple seasons even if he did drop off a bit. He was also under contract and wasn’t about to get a huge deal. No reason to keep Cam unless you plan to extend him. Cam’s nuts to play a rebuild year with another shitty OL in the last year of his deal. Sure the Panthers seemed OK with that because they don’t really lose. I’m shocked people didn’t think Cam would want out and probably still don’t. Replacing Cam with Bridgewater is stupid. All it does is extend mediocrity. I want Lawrence or Fields if you prefer because I think they can be franchise guys and give you $140-160M in cap space from 2021-2025 to use to make a Denver splurge and get the SB.

I just don’t appreciate the racists comments. Feel free to target an individual who says something like that. Most of us who want to have discussions don’t appreciate the broad strokes when they aren’t true. I liked Cam as my QB because he was awesome. I just don’t think that 2015 guy is coming back so I’d rather reboot.

[Khyber53]

58 minutes ago, bobowilson said:

We've all seen what McCaffrey can do, he can break games open, and will win even the worst team in the NFL to a couple of wins.

You don't think if CMC was on the Bengals last year they eke out 2 extra wins?  There will be a few 200 yard CMC games that we unfortunately win if we don't trade him.

On the other hand, by the time Lawrence is in his 2nd season, CMC will be an old and broken down running back on a maximum salary.

So there's no reason to hang on to CMC.  He costs us draft position this year, and won't be in his prime by the time our new QB is ready.

The only reason to keep him at this point would be to sell tickets and merch.  So this is a test of how bad Tepper wants to win versus make money.

 

Glue sniffin', bed wettin', cry babies. 

You don't trade away the best guy on the entire team.

And before someone points to the Cam trade... they aren't trading away the best player on the team.

[Toomers]

18 minutes ago, stbugs said:

What? How did it not work out? I guess tanking for Cam didn’t either since he never won a SB. Damn Cam sucked. I don’t know why people get so hung up on Luck. It was a great pick by Indy that like Cam, got derailed by injuries. Indy was 1-15. They went to the playoffs three straight years starting with Luck’s rookie year. 11-5 every year and the best they did was the AFC Championship. They lost to the eventual SB champion in two of his 3 playoff years until he got hurt and then it was all over. His recurring injuries were what caused him to retire. It looked like he was going to miss last year as well, which would have been his 3rd almost entire season. Cam’s been hurt but only really missed 1 entire season.

No shoulder problem and Indy likely makes 8-10 playoff appearances with Luck instead of 4 (made 4 of 5 when healthy). We made 4 of 7 when Cam was healthy and starting to get nicked up. I still don’t think it wasn’t a good tank. It worked until he got hurt.

  No plan is going to work out when Ryan Grigson is making the decisions. Constantly going after “weapons” for Luck instead of trying to protect him is all that went wrong with that tank. 

   
  As for CMC, even from a person who has no preference anymore, I think I’m glad I don’t have to make that call. I can see both sides as logical. CMC, Moton, and DJ are pretty much the only players that could bring any decent picks. But are all there is to build around. So it’s understandable people don’t want them to go anywhere. 
 

   

   

   

[JARROD]

1 hour ago, stbugs said:

What? How did it not work out? I guess tanking for Cam didn’t either since he never won a SB. Damn Cam sucked. I don’t know why people get so hung up on Luck. It was a great pick by Indy that like Cam, got derailed by injuries. Indy was 1-15. They went to the playoffs three straight years starting with Luck’s rookie year. 11-5 every year and the best they did was the AFC Championship. They lost to the eventual SB champion in two of his 3 playoff years until he got hurt and then it was all over. His recurring injuries were what caused him to retire. It looked like he was going to miss last year as well, which would have been his 3rd almost entire season. Cam’s been hurt but only really missed 1 entire season.

No shoulder problem and Indy likely makes 8-10 playoff appearances with Luck instead of 4 (made 4 of 5 when healthy). We made 4 of 7 when Cam was healthy and starting to get nicked up. I still don’t think it wasn’t a good tank. It worked until he got hurt.

We aren’t tanking for anyone,...

 

[WarHeel]

[Toomers]

15 minutes ago, JARROD said:

We aren’t tanking for anyone,...

 

   Nope. Losing is going to be so easy that no extra effort will be needed. It’s that mixed reboot. How you like it so far? 

[stbugs]

53 minutes ago, Toomers said:

  No plan is going to work out when Ryan Grigson is making the decisions. Constantly going after “weapons” for Luck instead of trying to protect him is all that went wrong with that tank. 

   
  As for CMC, even from a person who has no preference anymore, I think I’m glad I don’t have to make that call. I can see both sides as logical. CMC, Moton, and DJ are pretty much the only players that could bring any decent picks. But are all there is to build around. So it’s understandable people don’t want them to go anywhere. 
 

   

   

   

Exactly. Look at KC. They were paying @ $55M to their LT, Watkins, Kelce and Hill. They paid the weapons around Mahomes because he was on a rookie deal. Affording Moton, Moore and CMC will be relatively easy with a rookie QB contract.