REPORT: Panthers discussed trading up to #1 for Joe Burrow

[Harbingers]

3 hours ago, Growl said:

Acquiring a franchise QB is never something you should put off if you can do it now.

 

Trevor Lawrence will not be a Carolina panther. No amount of draft capital would make a trade for him possible.

Going 0-16 next year would guarantee it.

[FakePlasticTrees]

15 minutes ago, stbugs said:

I agree as of now but without Teddy and Anderson, we had a very good shot at him. I would have put our odds at the top. No guarantees but Herbert is not a franchise QB in my opinion. We lost Luke, Cam, Olsen, Bradberry, Addison, Turner, McCoy, Irvin, Reid, Cockrell and Van Roten from a 5-11 team. We’ve got one extra pick, a 5th rounder for Allen, in the next few drafts. We blew our chance to right this shop quickly. Having an extra 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th in 2021 along with the top pick would have been a great bounty especially if we went full BPA this year.

We are unfortunately going to limp along for three years with Teddy. We won’t get Lawrence, Fields or Howell. The top top QBs the next two years won’t be available for trade ups.

It is impossible to know the extent of the opportunity cost of signing Bridgewater; however, I suspect that it ends up being significant.

It likely means that the Panthers will not pursue a potential franchise QB this season.

It also likely means that the Panthers win a couple more games than would have been the case with a rookie or Kyle Allen, which means next year's draft position will be worse because of the signing.

It increases the chances that the Panthers will not be in a position to get a franchise QB next season.

Depressingly, I firmly believe his signing sets back the franchise unless the goal was a hope of mediocrity. I think we all agree that was not the hope.

We will likely never know for sure, but I suspect that someone (Hurney) was influenced by the fact that signing Bridgewater likely means that QB play will be  better than Allen or Grier, which may increase the chances that Hurney gets another contract. Of course, they may have convinced themselves that Bridgewater is truly a franchise QB even though the past is replete with evidence that such is not the case.

 

 

 

[stbugs]

14 minutes ago, FakePlasticTrees said:

It is impossible to know the extent of the opportunity cost of signing Bridgewater; however, I suspect that it ends up being significant.

It likely means that the Panthers will not pursue a potential franchise QB this season.

It also likely means that the Panthers win a couple more games than would have been the case with a rookie or Kyle Allen, which means next year's draft position will be worse because of the signing.

It increases the chances that the Panthers will not be in a position to get a franchise QB next season.

Depressingly, I firmly believe his signing sets back the franchise unless the goal was a hope of mediocrity. I think we all agree that was not the hope.

We will likely never know for sure, but I suspect that someone (Hurney) was influenced by the fact that signing Bridgewater likely means that QB play will be  better than Allen or Grier, which may increase the chances that Hurney gets another contract. Of course, they may have convinced themselves that Bridgewater is truly a franchise QB even though the past is replete with evidence that such is not the case.

 

 

 

The problem with having a lame duck GM is the decisions form this year disregarding the ultimate goal. It’s like this site. All the whining about tanking. Boo hoo, fans will leave if we go 2-14. BS, fans leave and never come back after years of poo. Signing a clear not franchise QB when this team needs a replacement to Cam is dumb. Sure Teddy was fine when he had Peterson and Kamari at RB and solid Ds. We have CMC and horrible OLs and a horrible D. Game managers don’t work. Why waste $63M to baby sit? Lame duck GMs waste comp picks signing mediocre FAs and end up spending all of the cash they saved letting go of our FAs.

[Teddy Time]

18 hours ago, FakePlasticTrees said:

The Panthers are so out of touch. They did not think Bridgewater would come so cheap...really! It still has not occurred to them that they were bidding against themselves. Bridgewater did not have much of a market because the rest of the NFL saw him for what he is - a back-up.

I remember reading that the Patriots were interested around the time that the likely signing was leaked. What a load. The Patriots quickly stated that they had NO interest in Bridgewater. Rightfully so.

I wish the Panthers would have said the same.

This is simply not true.  While we don't know what they were offering they were in on it the same morning the Panthers were in on it on Day 2 of free agency.  Teddy was already negotiating with the Chicago Bears the day before reportedly for similar money.  It was reported and never denied by them, that the Bucs had Teddy as their second choice behind Brady.  You're free to be upset by their signing, but you can't make up fiction to prove a point.

[Teddy Time]

the Joe Burrow scenario was explored way back in Feb and died soon after.  As for all this talk about Trevor Lawrence and other QB's, at some point you're going to have to accept that Teddy Bridgwater will be the face of the Carolina Panthers for years.  You don't have to be happy about it, but you're torturing yourself inventing scenarios where the Panthers bring in someone else this or next year.  it ain't happening.

and that's all fine, because Saints fans said the same thing when Teddy showed up and once he started winning for them they changed their tune and got on board.  which is exactly what's going to happen in Carolina.

[FakePlasticTrees]

Just now, Teddy Time said:

This is simply not true.  While we don't know what they were offering they were in on it the same morning the Panthers were in on it on Day 2 of free agency.  Teddy was already negotiating with the Chicago Bears the day before reportedly for similar money.  It was reported and never denied by them, that the Bucs had Teddy as their second choice behind Brady.  You're free to be upset by their signing, but you can't make up fiction to prove a point.

We will have to agree to disagree.

https://nesn.com/2020/03/nfl-rumors-patriots-never-interested-in-mid-tier-veteran-quarterback/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2881500-patriots-rumors-ne-has-a-plan-to-replace-tom-brady-after-qbs-announcement

We will never know for sure, but my guess is that Bridgewater's agent or "subgent" released info that NE was interested. 

[rico6]

5 hours ago, Rogue Panther said:

The problem with having a QB that isn't accurate and isn't cerebral, is that they will make costly mistakes. 

Cam was a special QB, but I simply just value accuracy, IQ and leadership more than the highlight reel stuff. 

 

 

This forum has fuging died. 

[Moo Daeng]

8 minutes ago, rico6 said:

This forum has fuging died. 

It's been full of idiots since I first visited 37 years ago.

[Growl]

5 hours ago, RASTAN66 said:

Let's think about a mythical NFL franchise we'll call the Growlers.

Well after going 5-10-1 one year the Growlers decide to draft a QB in the 1st round of the next draft.

The next season the Growlers start out 1-2 with their new rookie QB on the bench.  After that the rookie QB starts 12 games the rest of the way and goes 6-6 in his starts.  (team was 6-12-1 prior)

The rookie QB wins a Rookie of the Year award.

The next year Mr. QB is no longer a rookie and starts all 16 games.  Mr. QB leads his team to a 11-5 record and the playoffs where they lose in the 1st round.

Mr. QB makes the Pro Bowl that year.

In Growlerville at this point do Growler fans reasonably expect they have a "franchise QB" on their hands?

 

let's say a pantherclaw alt created a long winded blathering incoherent response which invalidated his own self admitted feelies-first stance once he realized he couldn't dispute a stated point directed at him

 

except this time, it isn't mythical nor incomprehensible, its happening, right here and now

[Growl]

1 hour ago, Harbingers said:

Going 0-16 next year would guarantee it.

it isn't going to happen and as soon as people accept the pretense they can have an honest discussion about what the team's roster building priorities should be

[Harbingers]

10 minutes ago, Growl said:

it isn't going to happen and as soon as people accept the pretense they can have an honest discussion about what the team's roster building priorities should be

You are talking in hypotheticals. It’s possible for this team to go 0-16. Rhule and Snow(w/e his name is) sure have the resumes to make that happen. 

[RASTAN66]

Rhule's Rules rule.

It's Teddy Time.

Haters gonna hate...

[kass]

5 hours ago, RASTAN66 said:

Let's think about a mythical NFL franchise we'll call the Growlers.

Well after going 5-10-1 one year the Growlers decide to draft a QB in the 1st round of the next draft.

The next season the Growlers start out 1-2 with their new rookie QB on the bench.  After that the rookie QB starts 12 games the rest of the way and goes 6-6 in his starts.  (team was 6-12-1 prior)

The rookie QB wins a Rookie of the Year award.

The next year Mr. QB is no longer a rookie and starts all 16 games.  Mr. QB leads his team to a 11-5 record and the playoffs where they lose in the 1st round.

Mr. QB makes the Pro Bowl that year.

In Growlerville at this point do Growler fans reasonably expect they have a "franchise QB" on their hands?

 

Here is a scenario from real life.

A rookie QB jumps into a game and play ~4 snaps.The game after he start and end up winning the game. The season after the same QB win 4 consecutive games and is now 5-0 as a starter. And some of the fans for the team is convinced they have found a "franchise QB"...

Where I come from, "Fans" and "reasonably" are incompatible "words" and cannot be used together in the same sentence and my time on this board has proven to me that it is the same in the US.

[Growl]

14 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

You are talking in hypotheticals. It’s possible for this team to go 0-16. Rhule and Snow(w/e his name is) sure have the resumes to make that happen. 

oh wow, whatever his name is, well nevermind what I said, you clearly understand our roster/staff composition better than I, disregard the math, you're right were gonna go 0-16

 

where is your dad