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First Round Options--Choose Wisely


45catfan

Who is the most important?  

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  1. 1. In a completely hypothetical where Brown, Okuda and Simmons are all available, you choose:

    • Brown over Simmons, Okudah
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    • Okudah over Simmons, Brown
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    • Simmons over Brown, Okudah
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    • Top WR--class is too deep not to take the top guy
      3
    • Got to fix OT now; draft one of these dudes!
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    • Herbert or another QB (NOT named Joe Burrow)
      5


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This should settle where the bulk of us are at with the draft in a few weeks.  No trades and we are on the clock with the 7th pick.  QBs are out of the question.

Edit: Due to some requests and Hurney's penchant to make dumb mistakes...I added QBs.

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Just now, 4Corners said:

Herbert needs to be on list

Why?  Just because Hurney went to his pro day?   The only QB we want will be long gone.  If Tua slides, maybe.  No way we take Herbert at #7.  We'd take Love before Herbert and that ain't happening either.

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I think I'd go Simmons, but it's really a tough call. Are we trying to stick with the "be competitive" approach we are taking or trying to get Lawrence? I think Simmons is the best player, but he doesn't make us enough better on D for 2020. We still can't stop the run and we do need a CB or two badly. I honestly don't care about 2020, but the powers that be are trying to act like 2020 matter.s

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1 minute ago, stbugs said:

I think I'd go Simmons, but it's really a tough call. Are we trying to stick with the "be competitive" approach we are taking or trying to get Lawrence? I think Simmons is the best player, but he doesn't make us enough better on D for 2020. We still can't stop the run and we do need a CB or two badly. I honestly don't care about 2020, but the powers that be are trying to act like 2020 matter.s

It's the first draft and the foundation of the new team.  I don't care how talented the 2021 draft is, if Hurney/staff comes up 1 of 8 or 2 of 8 this year, then 2021 has to be a home run draft. If Hurney is still here, that won't happen either.  

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9 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Why?  Just because Hurney went to his pro day?   The only QB we want will be long gone.  If Tua slides, maybe.  No way we take Herbert at #7.  We'd take Love before Herbert and that ain't happening either.

I would hope this is true but don’t underestimate Hurney’s retardedness. I’d hate Herbert at 7 but I’m prepared for the possibility, and I do think it is a real one.

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4 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

If Okudah is there you run thr card up..

Positional value high ...check

Need... check

Player ranking and talent level ....check

Personally, I'm torn between Brown and Okudah.  I think Brown will make the most immediate impact and I voted that way.  That said, I like the 2nd round DTs way better than the 2nd round CBs.  So setting up the team for value in the 2nd, I prefer Okudah in the 1st round.

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3 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

It's the first draft and the foundation of the new team.  I don't care how talented the 2021 draft is, if Hurney/staff comes up 1 of 8 or 2 of 8 this year, then 2021 has to be a home run draft. If Hurney is still here, that won't happen either.  

I'm not optimistic for any draft with Hurney anymore. Pick 7 will likely be a stud (not Herbert), which will have very little to do with him. Brown, Simmons and Okudah will not all be available so our choice will either be made or a coin flip. If the 2020 draft is like the last two, we better have the top pick in 2021 or the rebuild/retool is going to take way longer than expected.

2021 would have been a lot easier to be a home run if we had 4 comp picks.

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1 minute ago, stbugs said:

I'm not optimistic for any draft with Hurney anymore. Pick 7 will likely be a stud (not Herbert), which will have very little to do with him. Brown, Simmons and Okudah will not all be available so our choice will either be made or a coin flip. If the 2020 draft is like the last two, we better have the top pick in 2021 or the rebuild/retool is going to take way longer than expected.

2021 would have been a lot easier to be a home run if we had 4 comp picks.

I feel the same way about Hurney.  As long as he's here, our odds of a stellar draft is minimal. This was a completely hypothetical exercise...realizing there's no way this will actually happen.  However, it's like going all-in in a poker game, I wanted see the cards everyone is holding.

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