Jameis Winston to Saints being finalized

[RASTAN66]

4 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Still to go from a starter to 3rd string behind a special teams ace is embarassing

No way Hill gets the nod over Jameis if nut cutting time comes.

Interesting to note that Jameis had multiple offers that were more lucrative (implies minimum of 3 total offers) and didn't sign with the highest bidder.

That's gotta sting in some camps....
 

 

[Peon Awesome]

1 minute ago, Jon Snow said:

I wouldn't have waited until this season to find my next QB.  Does that answer your question?  Maybe draft more than one QB since 2011?     You know be proactive.    Besides, it's not my job to figure it out for these "professionals".

We were probably hoping our relatively young, former mvp qb would be starting for us up until now, so throwing a bunch of money or high draft picks for another qb or two didn't make much sense until the injury bug hit. The moment Cam started showing he was vulnerable, we finally did invest a decent draft pick on a qb, but he unfortunately hasn't shown anything promising to this point.

Saints are doing this because they are trotting out a 40+ year old qb who could retire or break down any minute. Completely different situation to us before this year. 

[MasterAwesome]

3 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I wouldn't have waited until this season to find my next QB.  Does that answer your question?  Maybe draft more than one QB since 2011?     You know be proactive.    Besides, it's not my job to figure it out for these "professionals".

 

54 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

It's not my problem to figure out.   Whether they do or not I really don't care.  It's the strategy that I agree with.  So far this team has been reluctant to develope or sign a QB that is a threat to take over for fear of hurting the starters feelings.   They are reactive and not proactive.  Always has been and it looks like they always will be.

You complain about us never developing QBs and then project this sentiment onto our brand new coaching staff who were JUST hired. “Looks like they always will be”...that clearly suggests you disagreed with their approach to QB this offseason. But here you are talking about 2011...? What?

[Iron Saint]

9 hours ago, RenoCarolina said:

Also, any actual signing before June 1 will affect comp picks so I am sure the saints aren't pushing the matter.  But at the same time they reap the benefits of taking him off the market.  I wish some other team (not mine) would push this and try to top the saints offer.

Deadline was Monday, not June 1st. Under the previous CBA it was the second Tuesday after the Draft.

Stroud is the Buccaneers' beat writer.

6 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Depending on how much you paid him, you might cancel it out

See above, friend.

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

No argument...

He went from eating a W to eating Humble Pie.

He's going to get fat af from all the humble pie now and all the W's in the fall.

4 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

No it's not dumb.  If they can turn him into anything they can either keep, trade him or let him walk for a comp pick.  It's called developing players.  Something this team struggles with.

Bingo

 

[Wes21]

3 minutes ago, Iron Saint said:

Deadline was Monday, not June 1st. Under the previous CBA it was the second Tuesday after the Draft.

Moving up the date is a smart change that I agree with.

26 minutes ago, RASTAN66 said:

No way Hill gets the nod over Jameis if nut cutting time comes.

Interesting to note that Jameis had multiple offers that were more lucrative (implies minimum of 3 total offers) and didn't sign with the highest bidder.

That's gotta sting in some camps....

Guys in similar situations to Jameis always say they "had multiple offers" and "took less money."  Because of the current QB landscape, its pretty easy to see that anyone who implies that there was a real market for Jameis is blowing smoke (or at best wishful thinking).

I applaud him for taking the offer from a good team to be a backup.  We've seen many top QB draft picks careers end early because they were not willing to humble themselves for a year or two while they get ready for their next opportunity.

[RASTAN66]

18 minutes ago, Wes21 said:

Guys in similar situations to Jameis always say they "had multiple offers" and "took less money."  Because of the current QB landscape, its pretty easy to see that anyone who implies that there was a real market for Jameis is blowing smoke (or at best wishful thinking).

Jameis isn't quoted anywhere in that article. 

In fact, multiple legit NFL sources were cited/quoted....

Own it.

 

[kungfoodude]

5 hours ago, Wes21 said:

Moving up the date is a smart change that I agree with.

Guys in similar situations to Jameis always say they "had multiple offers" and "took less money."  Because of the current QB landscape, its pretty easy to see that anyone who implies that there was a real market for Jameis is blowing smoke (or at best wishful thinking).

I applaud him for taking the offer from a good team to be a backup.  We've seen many top QB draft picks careers end early because they were not willing to humble themselves for a year or two while they get ready for their next opportunity.

Teddy Bridgewater did the same thing last year. He took less money to not be on a dumpster fire team. That way he could inflate his value to take WAY more money from a dumpster fire team the year after.

[Wes21]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Teddy Bridgewater did the same thing last year. He took less money to not be on a dumpster fire team. That way he could inflate his value to take WAY more money from a dumpster fire team the year after.

I am not saying it doesn't happen.  But its pretty typical for the players side to release the info of "oh we took less money because we like it here so much."  Just go thru each team, scenario by scenario, and tell me which teams you think offered Winston more money and a path to being a starter.  The reason why I bring up the path to being a starter is because those are the teams that are willing to throw big money at a guy, not the teams that are just looking for a backup.  And I can't see teams thinking of Winston "oh he will be a great locker room guy and great in the film room to help our starter," which limits his market.

One thing to remember about Teddy is he chose to RE-sign with the Saints, to stay where he was.  That was a smart decision.  His initial decision was to sign with the Jets on an incentive laden deal, and he ended up getting traded to the Saints.

 

[jfra78]

Been thinking, he is only 3rd string till Brees goes down for an extended amount of time.  This way they can have Hill there for special teams and not have 3qbs taking up game day spots

[hsfolk]

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1255502451807043585

[kungfoodude]

3 hours ago, Wes21 said:

I am not saying it doesn't happen.  But its pretty typical for the players side to release the info of "oh we took less money because we like it here so much."  Just go thru each team, scenario by scenario, and tell me which teams you think offered Winston more money and a path to being a starter.  The reason why I bring up the path to being a starter is because those are the teams that are willing to throw big money at a guy, not the teams that are just looking for a backup.  And I can't see teams thinking of Winston "oh he will be a great locker room guy and great in the film room to help our starter," which limits his market.

One thing to remember about Teddy is he chose to RE-sign with the Saints, to stay where he was.  That was a smart decision.  His initial decision was to sign with the Jets on an incentive laden deal, and he ended up getting traded to the Saints.

 

That's true, it was a re-sign and not an initial signing. I think it will end up working out well for Jameis, especially after that LASIK surgery. He'll still be a gunslinger QB but I expect Payton will get the best out of him. Hopefully he shows enough to bolt for a big money deal elsewhere. I want to see the Saints attempt to make Hill a real QB. 

The thought of that delightful disaster is mana from heaven.

[TheCasillas]

Every year the saints do this. They sign a player from an opponent in the division. With TB12 in TB, they must think TB will be a legit threat this year. They are finding outside help with Jameis

[Mr. Scot]

55 minutes ago, hsfolk said:

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1255502451807043585

Only guaranteed to make 1.1 million...

That's a hell of a pay cut from what he would have been expecting.

[Sgt Schultz]

Winston is likely to always be an interception machine.  As was mentioned, he fits the “gunslinger” mold.  He is going to wing it downfield or try and force the ball into places that it may not fit.  That is what it is, but putting that into Arians’ system is recipe for an epic number of interceptions.

If you look up guys who fit the gunslinger mold, as a group their TD to interception ratio falls below what most people would consider the benchmark for NFL starting QBs.  I think most would like to see something around 2:1 or better.  Romo was 2.12:1.  Favre was about 1.5:1.  Jim Kelly was about 1.35:1.  Jake was about 1.25:1.  Favre’s number is as good as it is because he had several seasons where he threw 30+ TDs.  They are high risk/high reward QBs.

Winston sits at 1.38:1 for his career.  The right coach may be able to coax that number up some, but given the mold, getting him consistently to the 1.6 or 1.7:1 may be about as good as it gets.  That is not the kiss of death, as we have seen with the other names, but "plan accordingly."

As for Arians, he likes to wing it downfield, too.  He doesn't mind subjecting his QBs to abuse to accomplish that.  Apparently he wants to wing it downfield without interceptions.  If so, maybe he should set his sites on Aaron Rodgers, whose ratio is over 4:1.  Incidentally, Roethlisberger is 1.9:1.